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ALL MEMBERS MAY VOTE FOR THE RULE CHANGES. YES or NO
Poll ended at Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:27 pm
yes 68%  68%  [ 25 ]
no 32%  32%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 37
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:27 pm 
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ALL MEMBERS MAY VOTE FOR THE RULE CHANGES.
The cabinet has unanimously accepted these rule changes.
2.6.3 is additive to the existing rules. 2.6.5 and 2.6.5.1 together replace the current Rule 2.6.5.

2.6.3. Resignation. Any officer may resign from the club at any time for any reason by notifying the first two officers in their chain of command. Officers do not have to state their reasons for resignation. Acceptance of the resignation is automatic. The club will maintain all records and OBD (Corrected typo) points of resigned officers. Officers who resign while under the threat of expulsion under Rule 2.6.4 will be considered expelled rather than resigned for purposes of reinstatement.

2.6.5 Reinstatement. Officers who have been declared MIA, or voluntarily resigned their commission may request reinstatement. Officers desiring reinstatement will apply via email to the CoA of the military group in which the officer was serving when he departed. The CoA will approve such requests. The CoA will normally reinstate the returning member at the rank last held and with the OBD points he/she had amassed at the time of their departure. The CoA may require the returning member, or the returning member may request, to rejoin at the rank of Second/Field Lieutenant with 15 OBD points. Officers seeking reinstatement may request to join a different military group.

2.6.5.1 Members who were expelled from the club may ask to be reinstated by the cabinet after one year. They must receive a unanimous cabinet vote to be reinstated. A member who is reinstated would return at the rank of Second/Field Lieutenant and given 15 points. Any previously expelled member reinstated by the Cabinet is ineligible to hold any elected position within the club and may not hold a command above Corps level. The cabinet will consider exceptions for Academy or War College Commandant and Chief of Staff Positions on a case-by-case basis. After one calendar year, the reinstated member may petition the cabinet to have all command and elective restrictions removed. A unanimous vote of the cabinet is required to remove all restrictions. This ruling is retroactive to 01 MAY 1997.

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What is the reasoning behind Rule 2.6.5.1 being "retroactive to 01 MAY 1997"? [I ask because I have a general distaste for any laws/rules being retroactive.]

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And what is the original 2.6.3?
It seems it isn't on the club rules page anymore.

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Good questions from Colonel Swanson and General Hecht.

Question for the Cabinet: Is discussion allowed on this proposition, or are we simply to vote 'Yes' or 'No'?

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To Gen Hecht's question:

There is currently no 2.6.3 and there never was. Thus President Sands' statement that "2.6.3 is additive to the existing rules."

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Jim Boling wrote:
To Gen Hecht's question:

There is currently no 2.6.3 and there never was. Thus President Sands' statement that "2.6.3 is additive to the existing rules."


Dang! Whoever wrote those rules must have been asleep at the wheel! lol

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In 2.6.5 : 'The CoA may require the returning member, or the returning member may request, to rejoin at the rank of Second/Field Lieutenant with 15 OBD points."

We've had easy going CoAs and hard charging, fire breathing CoAs. Some would allow anyone to rejoin at their previous rank while others would impose their own guidelines. Remedy this by making it standard for the club - the CoA will reinstate the returning member at their previous rank and OBD points unless the returning member requests otherwise.

Also, in 2.6.3, it is OBD and not ODB points.

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nsimms wrote:
In 2.6.5 : 'The CoA may require the returning member, or the returning member may request, to rejoin at the rank of Second/Field Lieutenant with 15 OBD points."

We've had easy going CoAs and hard charging, fire breathing CoAs. Some would allow anyone to rejoin at their previous rank while others would impose their own guidelines. Remedy this by making it standard for the club - the CoA will reinstate the returning member at their previous rank and OBD points unless the returning member requests otherwise.

Also, in 2.6.3, it is OBD and not ODB points.


That reinstatement proposal should be presented o the cabinet for later discussion.

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dmallory wrote:
Good questions from Colonel Swanson and General Hecht.

Question for the Cabinet: Is discussion allowed on this proposition, or are we simply to vote 'Yes' or 'No'?


Yes!

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Quaama wrote:
What is the reasoning behind Rule 2.6.5.1 being "retroactive to 01 MAY 1997"? [I ask because I have a general distaste for any laws/rules being retroactive.]


To have the new rules to cover expelled members since the club was started.

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I'm going to support this rules change, although I think that it could have been better presented by the Cabinet to the club first in a separate, non-public sub-forum, as an open discussion. Once passed, individual portions of it can be submitted for tweaking at a later date.

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Gentlemen, Sirs! <salute>

I have voted and I voted NO!

We are a welcoming ACW Gaming Club that is now 23+ years old. People leave for different reasons and folk's life responsibilities change as they mature. We all make mistakes from time to time and do or say things that we may regret at some point! Rules are necessary for the general guidance but a strict no going back rule makes no sense to me! I would rather have an avenue for all that have left the Club at one time or another to return and enjoy our wonderful hobby! He without sin cast the first stone!

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"The cabinet has unanimously accepted these rule changes."

Does that mean that the Cabinet has simply OK'd this proposal for a vote, or that the Cabinet members have unanimously voted "yes" for it?

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Gen. Kunz, I've read the proposed rules a number of times and don't believe that I've seen anything that refers to a "strict no going back" clause. Indeed, even for a formerly expelled member there is an eventual path open to the club's presidency! Might take that person a year or two, but its there!

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Joe Meyer wrote:
"The cabinet has unanimously accepted these rule changes."

Does that mean that the Cabinet has simply OK'd this proposal for a vote, or that the Cabinet members have unanimously voted "yes" for it?


The Cabinet has ok'd the proposal for an open discussion & vote by the Club.

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