American Civil War Game Club (ACWGC)

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Gen. Blake Strickler
Confederate General-in-Chief
El Presidente 2010 - 2012

<Salute> Suh,

A nice find and as you say some account of the terrain should have been taken. A monumental task I suppose to cover every 125 yards, but in specific historical areas such as that it's a pity it wasn't picked up. Excellent pictures giving a very clear idea of the geography indeed.

Thank you Suh.

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Karl McEntegart
Major General
Officer Commanding
Army of Tennessee





Make my enemy brave and strong, so that if defeated, I will not be ashamed.

I remember when I visited that battlefield many years ago they had a wiard with a broken wheel among those rocks.

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MG Mike Mihalik
Forrest's Cavalry Corps
AoWest/CSA

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Gen. Blake Strickler
Confederate General-in-Chief
El Presidente 2010 - 2012

For sure! That's very interesting terrain and like you said "uniquely out-of-place". I'm sure once a map editor becomes available, someone will place it on the map.

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General Scott Ludwig
4/II/ANV

*Paging Dr. Miller, Dr. krmiller_usa*

Would it not be possible to satisfy Blake's desire simply by changing the map file's terrain value for that hex then updating the checksum in a text editor? Or is it more complicated? I'm also not sure how the .bmp map files are significant to the game engine or how they are generated.

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WDS: Antietam, Chickamauga, Gettysburg, Overland

Well the hand drawn maps are just that hand drawn, of course that little change wouldn't be much trouble for an artist. But for a quick change the standard 3d graphics should be used, that also can hold up to the hand drawn maps.

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Lieutenant General Christian Hecht
Commander I Corps, Army of the Potomac

"Where to stop? I don't know. At Hell, I expect."

So you are saying that if you edit the map file, the 3d map would update but not the hand-drawn version? I have not played around with it yet.

I agree, changing the hand-drawn map is probably easy in GIMP or Photoshop.

In a pinch, I wonder if the map editor from other Tiller games could be used to make new maps. For example I glanced at an East Front map file and it looks similar, though there are additional terrain types. I wonder if they are compatible? I am recreating the wheel. Yes, K R Miller has already extensively documented this:
http://www.acwgc-engineering.com/

By the way, Ken, why did you take down the map editor at that site?

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WDS: Antietam, Chickamauga, Gettysburg, Overland

I debated about posting on this topic for awhile, and to be entirely fair to the topic, noting that GMT's The Dead of Winter also does not have any rough terrain in the area of the a fore-mentioned Slaughter Pen on its map -is it not possible that this might not be something where it was decided that there was no real difference in combat impact from woods? I mean I know the photos show that, and I was thinking of more about scale, including time scale.

Anyways be that as it may, basically all it takes is the CWB map editor; based on using editors - what your talking about is about a what, 5 or 6 hex area (if even that many)? - that should take about 30 seconds (probably less) to do.

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~Retired~

I think you could make the argument that the terrain here didn't affect the fighting in the way that the Devil's Den did at Gettysburg. The rocks are not as pronounced. But they do allow up to 4 feet of cover between them in some places and do prohibit the use of any wheeled vehicles in their area. As far as overall size goes, given that the hexes are 125 yards across (I believe) then the scale of the Slaughter Pen would only be about a single hex.

Not as impactful as the rough terrain in other battles but still a notable feature of the battlefield's geography.

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Gen. Blake Strickler
Confederate General-in-Chief
El Presidente 2010 - 2012

I thought about this a bit, I do have the editor - and here's how this can work, if you want an area changed to whatever terrain - just put the hexes in here and what you'd want it set to.

I don't also think that the Railway Cut was ever changed in Gettysburg? Same holds true for that -can edit it to what you'd like.

However, here's the situation- I'd have to submit those directly to WDS, and it would be up to them what to do with it.

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~Retired~

My "best estimate" of where the Slaughter Pen would be on the Murfreesboro map would be about (56, 51). It would be no more than a hex in size. The map below has the area highlighted from the satellite map. It would be a cool map feature to add "someday" if they ever have time.

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Gen. Blake Strickler
Confederate General-in-Chief
El Presidente 2010 - 2012

Single hex? Yep - no problem, am on it. Will take care of it after breakfast. Should take only a second.

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~Retired~

Done and sent over to WDS.

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~Retired~

Awesome! Maybe some future update will include it. I wish I knew the EXACT hex it should be placed in but... close is good enough.

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Gen. Blake Strickler
Confederate General-in-Chief
El Presidente 2010 - 2012