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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2001 10:24 pm 
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I'm new here, so if this topic has been covered, I'm sorry. I would be surprised if it hasn't, because this seems very noticeable to me.

I've done more than a few games of 1776, and have noticed quite quickly that many of the scenarios are almost designed so that one side or the other has an almost certain win. Is this my imagination, or has someone else noticed the same?

Most game I've played have the British winning handily; the Colonials just can't match the British in terms of fire power and moral. I've played most Northern and Southern scenarios, and cant seem to eke out an American win in any scenario...even in Brandywine, where the Americans have a lot of strength, the British seemed to walk right through the American lines, like a knife through butter.

It seems to me that, in order to truly gauge how well two players are doing, they have to do paired scenarios, each one taking the other side, and comparing the level of victory.

Am I missing something?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2001 10:34 pm 
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While I agree some scenarios are heavily weighted to one side or the other (King's Moutain for example), I think there are several that can go either way. Maneuver becomes a big aspect here, and also fatigue management.

And, if you feel all the scenarios are unbalanced, there's always the editor so you can make some custom ones! There's about 35 custom 1776 scenarios available for download from my SDC...linked off the main club page.

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Hi,

Do you have any scenarios that you feel are weighted on the Colonial side? If so, lets start one up and we can test that out. If not, then I'll play any scenario and we can mirror the games.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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>>Hi,
Do you have any scenarios that you feel are weighted on the Colonial side? If so, lets start one up and we can test that out. If not, then I'll play any scenario and we can mirror the games.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><<

Hey, I'll do any game with anyone at any time...(g). The only scenario that I thought was weighted against the Brits would be the Lexington and Concord scenario...but that is because if the Brits try and fight it out, they don't stand a chance. The only thing they can do is run for the exit hex at the end of the board, and that isn't a whole lot of fun...

Otherwise, playing the Yanks, I've been blown away in every game...and, my opponent, when we switch sides, also gets blown away as the Yanks.

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>>While I agree some scenarios are heavily weighted to one side or the other (King's Moutain for example), I think there are several that can go either way. Maneuver becomes a big aspect here, and also fatigue management.<<

Which scenarios do you think are at least evenly balanced?

>>And, if you feel all the scenarios are unbalanced, there's always the editor so you can make some custom ones! There's about 35 custom 1776 scenarios available for download from my SDC...linked off the main club page.<<

Have they been play-tested? I COULD do that, but I'd rather play a good game then go through the effort to design one; somehow, if I've designed it, it isn't as much fun to play.

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Well, the two that come to mind right away are King's Mountain and Yorktown. Both are definitely weighted in favor of the Americans.

I've had mixed luck with the rest of the scenarios. Some I have been whupped on, and others I have won, just depending on who I was playing and what stupid mistakes I made. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Be interested to hear what other people have to say...

As far as being play tested, no, not that I am aware of.

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>>Well, the two that come to mind right away are King's Mountain and Yorktown. Both are definitely weighted in favor of the Americans.<<

Ah, haven't gotten to either one of those. I've stuck with, mostly, the campaign scenarios.

>>As far as being play tested, no, not that I am aware of.<<

That's important, because I don't think any of the 1776 scenarios were ever really playtested; they just aren't balanced. That is not a fault, per se, but, in order to get an even idea of how you do, you actually have to play them paired, and compare the victory levels...I think, anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2001 9:38 pm 
Steve,
Im sure you would agree that there are some scenarios that are "unbalanced" in the BG series. Try this...take a look a the "scenario data" link off the CCC main page. Check out the various scenarios, then look at the grand totals.

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Since each army has different strengths and weaknesses, the successful commander is generally the one who knows how to work best with them. Some SCNs are unbalanced, but that can be overcome to some degree by the commander's skill and their opponent's lack of it. From my own experience, I have trounced some opponents, and some have trounced me. Try Cowpens or Camden or Harlem...(I designed that one to be balanced or tried to anyway.) Germantown or Brandywine seem to be balanced just because of their size. The Scenario data section of the CCC board also gives an indication of balanced SCNs.

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>>The Scenario data section of the CCC board also gives an indication of balanced SCNs.<<

Ah, thanks, that is sort of what I wanted to know. I have only played one opponent, and wanted to know if it was him or me...it seems, to me, that it is me...(sigh).

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