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 Post subject: Benefits of Skirmisher
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:40 pm 
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I recently had tested how skirmishers matter for fire combat and came to the result that they only matter if the fire passes a hex with a skirmisher unit in it, in this case the fire value is lowered by 20%.
Some things have to be noted:
1. It doesn't matter if it's a friendly or enemy skirmisher unit.
2. Even if the fire passes multiple hexes with skirmisher there is only a single modifier of -20%.
3. Having skirmishers in the same hex as the target unit doesn't give any modifier for fire combat.

I thought that it's the same for melee but Feldmarschall Pfluecke made me aware that this is not the case. Now after testing skirmishers in the same hex do matter for melee and so does their facing.
Another prove that the engine has some hidden qualities, but it gets complicated here as the skirmishers have no visible facing in the unitbox, one has to look closely how they are positioned in the 3D view.

I thought I put up some examples to show how much skirmishers matter:
1. French battalion in line gets attacked from the flank.
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The Russian Guard battalion(A Moral) is 746 men strong and gets modified to 932 men because it's attacking in column. The additional modifier of 80% comes from 3 things:
A. Russian unit A quality gives +20%.
B. French get attack from a hex they are not facing. Russians get +40%.
C. Russian unit didn't fire and the French battalion can't fire at them even if it held its fire because the Russian aren't in their firing arc. That gives +20%.
- That sums up to +80% for the Russian attacking strength.


2. French battalion in line with skirmishers facing away from the enemy gets attacked from the flank.
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The Russian Guard battalion(A Moral) is 746 men strong and gets modified to 932 men because it's attacking in column. The additional modifier of 60% comes from 2 things:
A. Russian unit A quality gives +20%.
B. French get attack from a hex they are not facing. Russians get +40%.
- Although the Russian unit held its fire the French skirmishers also didn't fire and by that negate the +20% as the French skirmishers are able to fire at the attacking Russians.


3. French battalion in line with skirmishers facing the enemy gets attacked from the flank.
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The Russian Guard battalion(A Moral) is 746 men strong and gets modified to 932 men because it's attacking in column. The additional modifier of 20% comes only from 1 thing:
A. Russian unit A quality gives +20%.
- Although the Russians attack from the flank the French skirmishers that are facing them negate the +40% bonus
- Although the Russian unit held its fire the French skirmishers also didn't fire and by that negate the +20% as the French skirmishers are able to fire at the Russians.


So one can see that skirmishers can negate modifiers in the amount of 60%, that can be a big difference for a unit attacking from the flank.

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 Post subject: Re: Benefits of Skirmisher
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:00 pm 
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I had never noticed that skirmishers could do that - negate the flank attack. Definitely not something I agree with but oh well. Its been there all these years.

For cavalry stacks we all turn our squadrons every which way to negate the flank bonus. That is pretty standard.

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 Post subject: Re: Benefits of Skirmisher
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:27 pm 
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Well a complete negation is maybe too much, if they would lower the flank bonus it would seem OK in the end they were just there to protect the flanks.
In the end all the people whining about the too high stacking can be relieved to protect their defending units in this way from additional bonus of an attack that they thing is too large anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Benefits of Skirmisher
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:50 am 
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Very interesting... I usually ignore the Skirmishers' facing.. so this will help.

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What games does this apply to? HPS and BG/Talonsoft..?


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HPS/JTS, not sure if goes that way in BG too.

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Very interesting indeed Christian. :frenchsalute:

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Yes, the same is true of the BG games.


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