Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Darn Anglophile Eason!! [:p][:)][^][:0][B)][;)]

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>Generallieutenant Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



GroßHerzog von Saxe-Weimar
(Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mark Eason</i>
<br />[quote][i]Wellington's forces battled the French all day, held the field at the end of the day, Prussians made a contribution that drew off some of French reserves and triggered and sustained the French rout. By holding the field, Wellington had brought about Napoleon's defeat whether Blucher arrived that evening or not until the next morning. The French having failed to defeat the Allied army could not have faced the Prussians the next day.

So, I figure, from his perspective, Wellington was perfectly entitled to claim victory. But maybe I am missing something!

Mark
VII Corps
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Yes it is and from our perspective it is the Allies would not have stood had we not arrived when we did, and we would not have stood at Ligny if it was not for the Anglo's at Quatre Bras. The point is bothsides were needed to beat Nappy!! [:D]

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>Generallieutenant Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



GroßHerzog von Saxe-Weimar
(Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by JTO</i>
<br />I have your flank Scott [:)]
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Aha! There you are John. Typical Prussian, always late to the fray[:D][:D]

I wondered whether if I shook the tree for long enough the other Prussian would drop out[;)]

You are, nevertheless, most welcome

Mark
VII Corps

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SLudwig</i>
<br />Darn Anglophile Eason!! [:p][:)][^][:0][B)][;)]
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Some opponents have earned our respect, some have yet to do so.[;)][:D]

Anglophobe might be more appropriate[B)][B)][B)]

Mark
VII Corps

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mark Eason</i>
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Some opponents have earned our respect, some have yet to do so.[;)][:D]

Anglophobe might be more appropriate[B)][B)][B)]

Mark
VII Corps
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It's ok Mark, a one legged, blind, monkey with arthritis could beat me!! [:D][:D][:p][;)]

In fact in a few weeks myself and Eric Karcher the two proclaimed worst players in this club are gonna settle, just who is the worst!! [:D][:p][;)][}:)][}:)][8][B)][:0][^][xx(]

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>Generallieutenant Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



GroßHerzog von Saxe-Weimar
(Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SLudwig</i>
In fact in a few weeks myself and Eric Karcher the two proclaimed worst players in this club are gonna settle, just who is the worst!! [:D][:p][;)][}:)][}:)][8][B)][:0][^][xx(]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

My money's on a no-score draw [;)][:D][:D]

Mark
VII Corps

Mark,
sorry but it's not a question of the point of view. Have a look on several regimental histories (British too!) or the reports from the different officers of foreign armies attached to the British "Staff". After the battle the British army was not able to keep fighting but having the honot to stop Napoleaon. AND the French army was not really beaten. Sure, no way for Nappy to win the war after this disaster but still able to eat the British at breakfest.[:D]
I'm not the meaning that Blucher was a brilliant General but in combination with Gneisenau the Prussians was a hard nut to crack.

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Stefan Ritter von Reuter
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stefan Reuter</i>
<br />Mark,
sorry but it's not a question of the point of view. Have a look on several regimental histories (British too!) or the reports from the different officers of foreign armies attached to the British "Staff".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

And their perspective carries more weight than Wellington's because...

I'm not trying to say that Wellington's view is gospel, but the suggestion that the Duke deliberately distorted his report is bounded about on the basis that the observations of other officers is gospel. Somewhere between all this lies the truth, but the report of any one officer should not be discounted because it does not fit with the others. It may be the facts as that individual perceived them. And who but the army commander had the greatest perspective of the battle?

I once read somewhere, 'No matter what you believe, it is true for you'. So, for me, no matter what I read from Wellington, or others, I have to accept that for them, what they have written is true.

There are, of course exceptions to this, the main one being every time a British politician opens their mouth[:0][:0][:D]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> After the battle the British army was not able to keep fighting but having the honot to stop Napoleaon. AND the French army was not really beaten. Sure, no way for Nappy to win the war after this disaster but still able to eat the British at breakfest.[:D]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Perhaps, but we'll never know [;)]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'm not the meaning that Blucher was a brilliant General but in combination with Gneisenau the Prussians was a hard nut to crack.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Blucher was not brilliant, but was certainly tenacious. The Prussian nut was severely cracked at Ligny and it was his strength of will that kept them in the theatre. Just as at Bautzen, where for me, it was Blucher's tenacity was the key to preventing Napoleon gaining the decisive victory he needed. Incredible leader, even if he knew only one direction[:D].

Regards

Mark