Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

To carry over a discussion in the Allied Tavern...I would say this is quite a benchmark moment and year for that matter in the club.

With first the French shakeups earlier this year in high and middle commands, and new sites, growth and great changes. To the Austrians changing command and webmasters for that matter.

To now the entire senior command of the Anglo-Allies (minus Geert) retiring in a matter of month this is a hall mark moment for the club as some of the old guard move on and a new wave of "younger" officers takes over. Kinda like in the real army. I feel like it must be 1816 with all the veterans whom fought the war retiring for the young bucks to take over.

So who's next?? Can't be Prussia, we had our shakeup last November. Russia??

Just wanted to document this moment in our history.

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>General der Infanterie Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



Prinz von Saxe-Weimar
(Prince of Saxe-Weimar)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SLudwig</i>
I feel like it must be 1816 with all the veterans whom fought the war retiring for the young bucks to take over.
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Actually they didn't. The opposite happened (as it always does after wars)--lots of guys whom casualties in the higher echelons and battlefield promotions had brought to positions of responsibility way earlier than seniority would usually have it occupied all relevant command positions for decades, trying to capitalize on their rapidly devaluing war experience forever, blocking everyone else's promotions. The last blokes who had fought in the Wars of Liberation retired in the 1860s. Only then did some rejuvenation occur, but then the next wars were upon the new guys and the same thing happened all over again.

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Baron d'Empire, Duc des Pyramides
Commandant de la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3ème Division[/url], VIème Corps Bavarois, L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant de la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde
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You leave Russia alone. We are well organized, successful and happy!

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by D.S. Walter</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SLudwig</i>
I feel like it must be 1816 with all the veterans whom fought the war retiring for the young bucks to take over.
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Actually they didn't. The opposite happened (as it always does after wars)--lots of guys whom casualties in the higher echelons and battlefield promotions had brought to positions of responsibility way earlier than seniority would usually have it occupied all relevant command positions for decades, trying to capitalize on their rapidly devaluing war experience forever, blocking everyone else's promotions. The last blokes who had fought in the Wars of Liberation retired in the 1860s. Only then did some rejuvenation occur, but then the next wars were upon the new guys and the same thing happened all over again.

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Baron d'Empire, Duc des Pyramides
Commandant de la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3ème Division[/url], VIème Corps Bavarois, L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant de la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde
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Interesting I wasn't aware that was the case for a lot. [8)]

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>General der Infanterie Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



Prinz von Saxe-Weimar
(Prince of Saxe-Weimar)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by andy Moss</i>
<br />You leave Russia alone. We are well organized, successful and happy!

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army
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Andy and what in God's gravy can I in my position do to you guys..[:D][:D] It has to be an internal change I would assume as the rest of these are. [:D] Even if I had been in the position to do so, any Allied Army that has as good of a reputation in beating the French as the Russians have proven, is an army that DOES NOT need tinkering with. [8D]

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>General der Infanterie Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



Prinz von Saxe-Weimar
(Prince of Saxe-Weimar)
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Wow Scott. There seems to be quite a brain drain happening. What in the world is going on?

Rick



<center>Chef de Bataillon Rick Motko
1er Bataillon, 33° Régiment d'Infanterie de Ligne
2eme Brigade, 11eme division
IIIe corps, Armée du Nord</center>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Le Tondu</i>
<br />Wow Scott. There seems to be quite a brain drain happening. What in the world is going on?

Rick



<center>Chef de Bataillon Rick Motko
1er Bataillon, 33° Régiment d'Infanterie de Ligne
2eme Brigade, 11eme division
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Well Rick...I don't feel it is a braindrain per say as Jim has already stated he will be around to talk and I am sure Ken will be too. But it's just typical that things like this happen. Guys get worn out etc. I am just glad when my officers tell me they wish to retire and don't just disappear. You would be surprised how many times my CC's have vanished at my other clubs. Speaking of second generation commanders...Rick...lol [:D][:D] I think given the right time you will fit in nicely.

But back to your point I think the next generation is all the capable of handling the job as the last, just not as experienced per say, but heck it's not that darn hard...this isn't a job or anything...lol. [:D]

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>General der Infanterie Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



Prinz von Saxe-Weimar
(Prince of Saxe-Weimar)
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Mssrs.,

It is of course a sad moment when great leaders/members such as Sir Muddy & Jim decide to retire. Nonetheless, it IS part of the "lifecycle" of any organization.

We are presently witnessing simply the passing of the baton from the <b><font color="red">2nd</font id="red"></b> to a 3rd generation of leaders. The departure of Chris Wattie and Paul Harris, for instance, from the ranks of the Anglo-Allied Army were equally earthshaking, but that army and the NWC as a whole carried on to new heights. Best of all, after a suitable rest, many old friends manage to find their way back as occurred with both Bill Peters, one of the original founders of the NWC, and Jeff Bardon.[^]

<i>Le roy est mort! Vive le roy!</i>

Regards,

Paco

<i>Maréchal</i> M. Francisco Palomo
<i>Comte de Marseille
Duc d'Abrantes</i>

What we can be assured of is no matter how good or bad a time/situation is it will change.

It is normal that those who have contributed will want to move on. It's not a good thing, it's not a bad thing, and it’s just the way it is.

The structure of the club allows for a change of the guard without the loss of the club. The seemingly loose structure and concept has a purpose. With a general set of rules and a logistic structure that does not depend on one persons involvement gives flexibility. When all is concentrated in one person's vision and concept it is a given that with the loss of that person the structure will disappear.

The addition of a club database system must be part of the club and not one person's project. It must belong to the club and be transportable to another that would be willing to take on the baton.

Although a contribution by one person to develop a system is needed it must not be held by that person. To do so means that the club could be held hostage to that persons whim or vision as has happened in another club.

Whatever auto system is developed make sure it belongs to the NWC club.


Lt. Pierre D.
AdR

Board Admin.


May I add in something: we need to have some kind of documentation that helps us understand where the values are that might need to be changed and so on. If the database is handed off then we should have someone else that understands fully how it works.

John is making sure that this happens. Its part of the process that we have discussed. Backup admins are a must for the club to have a successful program.

And Geert has graciously jumped on board with the concept so I can only see success at the end of the planning phase. Once implemented we will have several guys that know the system more or less inside and out.

This is exciting to me. Lots of folks working together for a common goal.

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<br />What we can be assured of is no matter how good or bad a time/situation is it will change.

It is normal that those who have contributed will want to move on. It's not a good thing, it's not a bad thing, and it’s just the way it is.

The structure of the club allows for a change of the guard without the loss of the club. The seemingly loose structure and concept has a purpose. With a general set of rules and a logistic structure that does not depend on one persons involvement gives flexibility. When all is concentrated in one person's vision and concept it is a given that with the loss of that person the structure will disappear.

The addition of a club database system must be part of the club and not one person's project. It must belong to the club and be transportable to another that would be willing to take on the baton.

Although a contribution by one person to develop a system is needed it must not be held by that person. To do so means that the club could be held hostage to that persons whim or vision as has happened in another club.

Whatever auto system is developed make sure it belongs to the NWC club.


Lt. Pierre D.
AdR

Board Admin.

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Pierre et al..

The system I am working on will indeed belong to the NWC.. I actually undertook this as a project for a PHP/MYSQL course I am taking in a night course


Monsieur le Marechal John Corbin
Chief of Staff
La Grande Armee

Excellent and I am sure it was your intent. It must have been heartbreaking to announce your project, believing that it was for the best of the club, and have it criticized till the point you would drop it. This has been the case of many who wished to contribute and did not want to suffer the same indignation.

Lt. Pierre D.
AdR

Board Admin.

John,

If it all belongs to us, do we get the college credits, too? [:p]

Good luck, hope you get an "A+".

Colonel Al Amos

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SLudwig</i>
<br />To carry over a discussion in the Allied Tavern...I would say this is quite a benchmark moment and year for that matter in the club.

With first the French shakeups earlier this year in high and middle commands, and new sites, growth and great changes. To the Austrians changing command and webmasters for that matter.

To now the entire senior command of the Anglo-Allies (minus Geert) retiring in a matter of month this is a hall mark moment for the club as some of the old guard move on and a new wave of "younger" officers takes over. Kinda like in the real army. I feel like it must be 1816 with all the veterans whom fought the war retiring for the young bucks to take over.

So who's next?? Can't be Prussia, we had our shakeup last November. Russia??

Just wanted to document this moment in our history.

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>General der Infanterie Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



Prinz von Saxe-Weimar
(Prince of Saxe-Weimar)
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I am quite open to input... I am not even considering a "Go live Date" for this thing yet. Once the course is complete I will put it up for people to look at, play with and comment on. As this is a course project I may work at it faster than your comments get to me.

Geert has already pointed out an issue with French versions of the game where the Scenario lists are in French. This is something I had not even considerd so I thank Geert for his mention on this.

There is second part to this course in Decembert so there is always time for a slow methodical approach to this that everyone can get comfortable with....

I started this as a way of giving back to the club in a meaningfull way.. I may have been a bit premature in announcing it....




Monsieur le Marechal John Corbin
Chief of Staff
La Grande Armee

No John it wasn't premature...it just was kind of sudden right after the election that all. I just don't wanna rush into it and have people regret it later, that's all.

I think I will start a wishlist post and see how it goes and people can add ideas into it.

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>General der Infanterie Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



Prinz von Saxe-Weimar
(Prince of Saxe-Weimar)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SLudwig</i>
<br />No John it wasn't premature...it just was kind of sudden right after the election that all. I just don't wanna rush into it and have people regret it later, that's all.

I think I will start a wishlist post and see how it goes and people can add ideas into it.

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[url="http://www.scott-ludwig.com"]<b>General der Infanterie Scott Ludwig</b>[/url]

Kommandeur
3. Infanterie-Brigade and Aide-du-Camp
I. Armee Korps
Heer am Niederrhein
[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com"]Preußische Armee[/url]

Kommandeur
Garde-Artillerie
[url="http://scott-ludwig.com/NWC/Prussia/Garde.htm"]Preußische Armee Garde-Brigade[/url]



Prinz von Saxe-Weimar
(Prince of Saxe-Weimar)
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Wish list post is a great idea...


Monsieur le Marechal John Corbin
Chief of Staff
La Grande Armee