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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2026 7:56 am 
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krmiller_usa wrote:
Antietam 116 Weather_Gaps to Manassas.scn

The 1st & 2nd Bn. 2nd NY Heavy Artillery have only 2 men each.
The OOB calls for them to have 300.
The other 2 units have their full strength as shown in the OOB.


Folks, don't make me work too hard on this, it should be quick and easy. I need hexes or time schedules.

For this, I restored all units. After scanning, all present looked to be 100% anyway, so a restore seemed the easiest. 068 was included.

This has been submitted.

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While helping another member in researching some things I came across a possible tweak that may be of interest in Chickamauga 015 Historical Murfreesboro.

In the research I read Cleburne's report on the battle which said in part:
"Before daylight I formed line, placing Polk’s brigade, with Calvert’s battery, on the right; Johnson’s brigade, with Darden’s battery, in the center, and Liddell’s brigade, with the Warren Light Artillery, commanded by Lieutenant [H.] Shannon, on the left. Wood’s brigade I placed a short distance in rear of Polk’s. This brigade had no battery in the fight, its battery (Semple’s, of six Napoleon guns) having been detached the day before to support Hanson’s brigade, of Breckinridge’s division, and having remained with that brigade on the right of the army."

Where is Semple's battery? Hanson doesn't have them; Wood does, but only four (so two have disappeared).
The battery of Napoleons should probably be increased from four to six and placed (probably undetached as they appear to be under Hanson's command) over with Hanson's other guns.

[Note: Wood is not placed behind Polk but I believe that his placement is correct as Cleburne says later: "General Cheatham’s left did not move forward at the same moment as my right, and my division, inclining to the left as it advanced, a gap was soon left between us, which General Hardee directed General Wood’s brigade to fill."]
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In doing that same research I also came across an amusing report made by the Union's R. W. Johnson which said:
"At 6.22 on the morning of the 31st the outposts in front of my division were driven in by an overwhelming force of infantry, outnumbering my forces greatly, and known to contain about 35,000 men. At the same time my extreme right was attacked by the enemy's cavalry."
So, Johnson saying he was attacked by a "known" force of 35,000 men - more infantry than the Confederates even had at the battle. Hilarious, he would have got on well with McClellan.


I also found Semple's report (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924079609602&seq=924&q1=) which says, in part:
"I have the honor to report that my battery of six Napoleon guns was ordered on the 30th [ultimo] to report to General Breckinridge, on the right; that we were put in position on an eminence near the river, commanding the points on the opposite side of the river near the enemy’s left. An earthwork had been constructed the night before in which the guns were placed".
That would probably put his guns in Hex {72,45}.


Looking now.

The update to all ACW games is coming this summer. No date yet.

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How about this and the guns placed at 72,45?

B 4th Bde (Wood)
Begin
L 3 3 185 BG S A M Wood
U 321 5 I R 518 266 16th Alabama
U 299 4 I M 527 288 33d Alabama
U 223 4 I R 527 288 3d Confederate
U 211 4 I M 527 288 45th Mississippi
U 102 5 I R 79 26 15th Miss. Bn S.S.
U 6 5 A N 1 3 Semple's Ala Bty (det)

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The convention (probably not always followed) seems to be that if a unit was assigned elsewhere prior to the battle starting it is attached to that new command (e.g. 13th Miss. at First Manassas https://civilwarintheeast.com/confederate-regiments/mississippi/13th-mississippi-infantry-regiment/ - First Bull Run scenario has them attached to Early).
In regard to Cleburne's and Semple's reports that should probably mean that Semple's six Napoleons should be attached to Hanson.

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Quaama wrote:
The convention (probably not always followed) seems to be that if a unit was assigned elsewhere prior to the battle starting it is attached to that new command (e.g. 13th Miss. at First Manassas https://civilwarintheeast.com/confederate-regiments/mississippi/13th-mississippi-infantry-regiment/ - First Bull Run scenario has them attached to Early).
In regard to Cleburne's and Semple's reports that should probably mean that Semple's six Napoleons should be attached to Hanson.


There is no advantage to detaching Semple from Wood's Brigade and adding him to Hanson as an "attached" unit. Artillery units never rout (let's be honest) and therefore having them marked as "detached" seems like a non-issue. For future scenario designers using the OOB, having Semple listed as part of Hanson's brigade would necessitate reworking the OOB to move him back to Wood for balancing reasons (one battery per brigade ideally). Stick to the Official Records OOBs as much as possible for the sake of future clarity and scenario construction.

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Blake wrote:
Quaama wrote:
The convention (probably not always followed) seems to be that if a unit was assigned elsewhere prior to the battle starting it is attached to that new command (e.g. 13th Miss. at First Manassas https://civilwarintheeast.com/confederate-regiments/mississippi/13th-mississippi-infantry-regiment/ - First Bull Run scenario has them attached to Early).
In regard to Cleburne's and Semple's reports that should probably mean that Semple's six Napoleons should be attached to Hanson.


There is no advantage to detaching Semple from Wood's Brigade and adding him to Hanson as an "attached" unit. Artillery units never rout (let's be honest) and therefore having them marked as "detached" seems like a non-issue. For future scenario designers using the OOB, having Semple listed as part of Hanson's brigade would necessitate reworking the OOB to move him back to Wood for balancing reasons (one battery per brigade ideally). Stick to the Official Records OOBs as much as possible for the sake of future clarity and scenario construction.

Just my two cents.


I just think that if Semple's six guns are to be placed near Hanson, and they are operating alongside Hanson's other guns it would seem better to have them under his command (not Woods).
Although I agree it doesn't happen often, I've had artillery disrupt and even rout (and fortunately also seen if happen to some opponents). It would seem unfair for Semple to be detached when he will now be placed 'where he should be').

'Stick to the Official Records OOBs ...'

Well, that would be nice but that doesn't happen in many 'historical' scenarios [variants are neither here nor there as, after all, they are variants].
For an example I just did a quick check of the CSA's Army of the Potomac in the Historical 1st Bull Run' scenario and, in short time, found the following anomalies between the game and Official Records:
Bonham has 8th La. whereas should they not be brigaded (i.e. detached in the game);
Longstreet has 24th Va. but they should be with Early;
Early has 7th La. whereas they should not be brigaded (i.e. detached in the game);
Cocke should have 1st La. Bn but he doesn't (I can't find them in the scenario).

I can't say for sure, but possibly such changes are made for gameplay or to achieve the possibility of some desired historical outcome.
Beauregard says:
I ordered up from Camp Pickens as a reserve, in rear of Bonham’s brigade, the effective men of six companies of Kelly’s Eighth Regiment Louisiana Volunteers and Kirkland’s Eleventh Regiment North Carolina Volunteers, which, having arrived the night before en route for Winchester, I had halted in view of the existing necessities of the service. Subsequently the latter was placed in position to the left of Bonham’s brigade.
So, the 11th N.C. was attached to Bonham (as it is, but not on the left) but the 8th La. was not.
Other things, like Cocke's missing 1st La. Bn, may be omitted for brevity and their relatively small numbers (being a battalion) are simply added to the Cocke's other regiments.

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Blake wrote:
Quaama wrote:
The convention (probably not always followed) seems to be that if a unit was assigned elsewhere prior to the battle starting it is attached to that new command (e.g. 13th Miss. at First Manassas https://civilwarintheeast.com/confederate-regiments/mississippi/13th-mississippi-infantry-regiment/ - First Bull Run scenario has them attached to Early).
In regard to Cleburne's and Semple's reports that should probably mean that Semple's six Napoleons should be attached to Hanson.


There is no advantage to detaching Semple from Wood's Brigade and adding him to Hanson as an "attached" unit. Artillery units never rout (let's be honest) and therefore having them marked as "detached" seems like a non-issue. For future scenario designers using the OOB, having Semple listed as part of Hanson's brigade would necessitate reworking the OOB to move him back to Wood for balancing reasons (one battery per brigade ideally). Stick to the Official Records OOBs as much as possible for the sake of future clarity and scenario construction.

Just my two cents.


I agree - I will do as I mentioned

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All of the Supply Wagons at Historical Shiloh 144 are listed as "Reserve Corps" wagons.

The Union divisions at Shiloh were not listed correctly. They were known numerically and not by the name of the commander. Thus, it should be:

1st Div (McClernand)
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McClernand's Division

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Blake wrote:
All of the Supply Wagons at Historical Shiloh 144 are listed as "Reserve Corps" wagons.

The Union divisions at Shiloh were not listed correctly. They were known numerically and not by the name of the commander. Thus, it should be:

1st Div (McClernand)
as opposed to
McClernand's Division


I'll have a look

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Blake wrote:
All of the Supply Wagons at Historical Shiloh 144 are listed as "Reserve Corps" wagons.

The Union divisions at Shiloh were not listed correctly. They were known numerically and not by the name of the commander. Thus, it should be:

1st Div (McClernand)
as opposed to
McClernand's Division


Done


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Rich Walker wrote:
Blake wrote:
Quaama wrote:
The convention (probably not always followed) seems to be that if a unit was assigned elsewhere prior to the battle starting it is attached to that new command (e.g. 13th Miss. at First Manassas https://civilwarintheeast.com/confederate-regiments/mississippi/13th-mississippi-infantry-regiment/ - First Bull Run scenario has them attached to Early).
In regard to Cleburne's and Semple's reports that should probably mean that Semple's six Napoleons should be attached to Hanson.


There is no advantage to detaching Semple from Wood's Brigade and adding him to Hanson as an "attached" unit. Artillery units never rout (let's be honest) and therefore having them marked as "detached" seems like a non-issue. For future scenario designers using the OOB, having Semple listed as part of Hanson's brigade would necessitate reworking the OOB to move him back to Wood for balancing reasons (one battery per brigade ideally). Stick to the Official Records OOBs as much as possible for the sake of future clarity and scenario construction.

Just my two cents.


I agree - I will do as I mentioned


Submitted. Also, not just 015 but another 10+ scns were impacted.

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Will Koch wrote:
Some of the Forgotten Campaigns Morris Island scenarios feel badly broken to me - take for instance scenario 049-630710-[H]Morris Island.30.scn

When the 6th Connecticut arrives at 10,77, the protection radius for the reinforcement causes the emplaced Confederate batteries at 11,76; 13,76; 13,75; and 12,74 to rout. As these guns are emplaced, when they rout and change facing, they cannot be refaced and remain permanently facing inland, making it trivial for the Union player to assault the batteries one-by-one from behind especially as more reinforcements arrive, as the battery at 13,71's line of sight to Oyster Point is blocked by the battery at 13,73. Having such a wide protection radius for reinforcements which effectively represent an amphibious landing against a prepared defensive position doesn't seem reasonable to me. Browning's "Success Was All that Was Expected" notes that the Confederate shore batteries weren't particularly effective historically, but the result of the current scenario design is badly balanced.


I've decided not to attempt fixes to this title as I am not the designer. I suggest sending in your concerns to the WDS help desk for changes.

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