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Author:  Jim Gleason [ Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:42 am ]
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I find the position taken by the USMA to be totally frivolous. I am amazed that we gave in to their high handed tactics. I do not think the government has any proprietary interest in the place name of West Point. I am sorry we went to all the trouble to change everything.
Jim Gleason LG 4-2-I AoP
Author:  Hwkhuntswalking [ Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:54 pm ]
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<font color="yellow">Federal Jail Time for Federals......?
There's simply no Justice that Pure but I appreciate your trepidacious shivers, Suhs! <salute></font id="yellow">

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Author:  rehartwig [ Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:23 pm ]
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I felt the same way as many of you when I first heard of the reason for the change. However, a quick we search led me to a pdf file on the West Point (the actual academy) that provided a list of phrases that have been trademarked or registered by the USMA:
Black Knights ®
United States Military Academy ®
U.S. Military Academy ®
West Point ®
USMA ®
West Point Association of Graduatesâ„¢
West Point AOGâ„¢
Military Academyâ„¢
Army Black Knightsâ„¢
Army Lady Knightsâ„¢
Army Baseballâ„¢
Army Basketballâ„¢
Army Cross Countryâ„¢
Army Footballâ„¢
Army Hockeyâ„¢
Army Lacrosseâ„¢
Army Rifleâ„¢
Army Soccerâ„¢
Army Softballâ„¢
Army Swimmingâ„¢
Army Tennisâ„¢
Army Trackâ„¢
Army Volleyballâ„¢
Army Wrestlingâ„¢
Duty, Honor, Countryâ„¢
The Long Gray Lineâ„¢

Perhaps they were afraid we would make sweatshirts and cut into their sales?

MG Randy Hartwig
IX/AoO, USA
Author:  D.S. Walter [ Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:53 am ]
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You can trademark "Military Academy"? And basically everything starting with "Army"?

I suppose they could then trademark "Army" as such as well. Maybe Corps, Division, Brigade, and you name it, too?

Gen. Walter
3rd rather small force / 2nd somewhat larger force / VIII even larger force / Really large force of the Shenandoah
(Is force still OK?)
Author:  babb35 [ Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:16 am ]
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That is real funny. I don't care who you are.

Captain of a large group of armed men. Of a larger group, of even a larger group.

Capt. Charles Babb
6th Brigade,3rd Division
XXIII Corps
Army of the Ohio
Author:  tciampa [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:32 am ]
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Sorry for being late on the uptake. When I saw this in the Woodin Injun I thought it was a joke. How long has the ACWGC been up and continuously running? 10+ years? Makes one wonder (not) when the "guvermint" finally gets around to things..

Thanks to all those who promptly hitched them up and made the changes keeping someone out of Leavenworth.[:)]


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by laubster22</i>
<br />Recently, the REAL United States Military Academy at West Point Legal folks sent us an email to stop using "West Point". This led to us in the Union Command going "OH SH!T", and dropping small green apples down our trousers at the thought of federal jail time.

In a time of quick change several folks including Kelly Ross, Matt Perrenod, Ed Stewart and Larry Quick stepped up to transition web pages and rename our venerable instition as the Union Military Academy.

My thanks to all of you for your efforts at keeping me from wearing a bright orange jump suit![:D][:p][:0]

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General Jeff Laub
Union Chief of the Army
ACWGC Cabinet Member
http://www.geocities.com/laubster22/UnionHQ/
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Major General
Tom Ciampa
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Commanding Officer
1st Cav Division
XIV Corps, AoC
Games: TS/BG: AN, BR, CH, GB, SH - HPS: AT, CTH, GB, OZK, SH, VK
Author:  P. Niedzielski [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:15 am ]
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Hey im a European... so put me in charge... and they can sue me if they want... My resoning West Point is a geographical location so i can use the name wherever i wish[:D][:D][:D][:D]

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Col. Przemek Niedzielski
Commander
3rd Division
2nd Corps
Army of the Missisipi
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Author:  D.S. Walter [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:30 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tciampa</i>
<br />Sorry for being late on the uptake. When I saw this in the Woodin Injun I thought it was a joke. How long has the ACWGC been up and continuously running? 10+ years? Makes one wonder (not) when the "guvermint" finally gets around to things..
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My take is that they took a copyright on all those terms first. Then when they had to find work for some underemployed staffer, they told him to search the internet for all possible unlawful uses of the said terms (i.e. sites using them & not owned by the US govt.), and then have their legal folk send a letter to the owners of these sites, sight unseen. So I'd say nobody ever spent a second trying to figure out why, how, and with which intent we use "West Point". We just oughtn't too, is all.

Gen. Walter, USA
<i>The Blue Blitz</i>
3/2/VIII AoS
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West Point Class of '01
Author:  Hwkhuntswalking [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:48 am ]
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Waal, Gen'l Walter <salute>
I do so "feel" ya Suh!
Anna wundur what's a <i><b>Republic</b></i> anyhoo!?!
'cuse me, <font size="6"><b>FEDERAL REPUBLIC/FEDERATED REPUBLIC</b></font id="size6">.......!
Now I knoes that Y'all ensist that thar Confederacy id NEVER work anna I's most n' likely agrees wuth ya Suh,
but I's got One Word for yooze:
<font size="5"><b>CANADA</b></font id="size5"></font id="orange">

<font color="yellow"><b>Take off! Hoser!</b></font id="yellow">
To The Great White North!!!![/b]<font color="orange">

Skoal Brothers & Comrades!
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Author:  Malcolm Hunt [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:20 am ]
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I have to admit this is what I find so pathetic and laughable about US Goverment institutions and their high handed attitudes regarding the "man in the street" as we say over here, on the other hand I notice that "West Point Military Academy" is not on the list mentioned earlier. Maybe you should use that, trademark it, and when West Point comes calling either sell it to them for an obscene amount or even better tell them to go screw themselves. [;)]

Lt General Malcolm Hunt
2nd Bde
Granite Infantry Div.
III Corps
AoG
CSA
Author:  Dirk Gross [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:58 pm ]
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I wonder if these guys have permission to use "Black Knights" for their football team. Or how many other high schools use that.

http://www.myndsports.com/Home.html

Lt. General Dirk Gross
XIV Corps/AoC

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Author:  Jim Gleason [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:15 am ]
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Gentlemen:
I received a copy of the cease and desist letter and am in the process of researching the issue. When I complete my efforts, I will post an opinion regarding the right to the use of the name.
Jim Gleason LG 4-2-I AoP currently seconded to the Staff Judge Advocate Office
Author:  D.S. Walter [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:09 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim Gleason</i>
"cease and desist letter"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Is this the actual phrase used?

Gen. Walter, USA
<i>The Blue Blitz</i>
3/2/VIII AoS
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West Point Class of '01
Author:  Scott Ludwig [ Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:43 am ]
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I would see if it was interferring with search engine results, but not even close. Clearly a pointless exercise in futility....

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Commanding Officer, Western Theater, CSA
"The Army Commissary" and "The Traveling Blowhard of Virginia"
Retired ANV Commander 2004-06

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Author:  Jim Gleason [ Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:46 am ]
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In response to Dierk's question, the words "cease and desist" are not actually used. In the legal field a letter of this type is generally referred to as such. The actual language used was to "protest the unauthorized use" of trademarks registered to the USMA and the US Army.
J. Gleason seconded to the Staff Judge Advocates Corps
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