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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:22 pm 
Why is there no Confederate Army of Tennessee in the Club? I have asked around but nobody seems to know why exactly. My guess is it is just to avoid confusion with the Union Army of the Tennessee? But does anyone know for sure?

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It might cause confusion in the individual signatures which would have to be appended as Union or Confederate. Otherwise, they both existed in History, so it could exist in the club if they suddenly got a load of shoeless, homeless, ugly and mangy coots who had no other place to go.[:D]

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We send all those "shoeless, homeless, ugly and mangy coots" up North to join the Yankee's. [:D]

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Hey! Hey! Now! In my Rebel days, I was like Fred Astaire with a Clark Gable body (maybe I was a short guy who had a face like Fred and danced like Clark). The bar maids and ladies of the saloons swooned from anticipation whenever I arrived. There were always women hanging from the chandeliers just to get a glimpse at the dashing, handsome, and debonair officer arriving with famous tales of the battlefield and home front. At least that's the way that I remember it but at least no one can say "if the shoe fits ..."

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Gentlemen <salute>

At least General Ringbloom didn't mention toothless; I've still got twelve [:D]

Colonel Strickler, the question has been raised before about the Army of the Missippi being used instead of the Army of Tennessee. Being a proud member of the Army of the Mississippi, I have no problem with our designation; we are a proud fighting unit no matter what we are named.

That said, if our senior command is determined perhaps there can be a contest of Tennessee with the victor claiming rights.

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As a side note, the Union also had an Army of the Mississippi so the field is open as far as Army names are concerned. However, I like the Army of Southern Sympathizers best.[:D]

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Interesting idea Col. Hebert. Contest with the Union AoT and the Confederate AotM for the name AoT. Now that would be a heated tourney right there for sure!

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Sometimes it is more a matter of economy of members, then on being completely historical. All the armies we do use are historical. In the most recent past, we dissolved the Army of Ohio to make the Union side more manageable and to consolidate human resources.

At some point, there might be a need to expand in either the CSA or USA and another army might be chosen to fill that need.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">That said, if our senior command is determined perhaps there can be a contest of Tennessee with the victor claiming rights.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

To paraphrase a later general, Anthony McAuliffe... "Nuts".

Or if you prefer, as far as I am concerned the AoT name is not a prize; it commemorates a specific army within the Union Army, and not some made up name- and as such it is being used entirely appropriately within the context of this club.

Now I suppose if you want to wage whatever your mascot is - what is it again, a squirrel on steroids or something... or maybe a possum that tastes like chicken - well fine, I suppose the people above me can probably find some coffee grounds and hardtack - but you know, lay off of the army name.

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Calling a Union army the AoT makes it sound like a lot of Rebel wannabes. [:D][:D]

I was not aware that we had a squirrel on steroids or a possum as mascots, although they sound damn fine. Did the gator get them[?]

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Actually the Union army is called the Army of <i>the</i> Tennessee, as Union field armies were named after rivers, not states. In this context the commonly used abbrevations (AoT instead of Ao<i>t</i>T etc.) for the Union side are a bit confusing and in fact I have occasionally seen officers draw the wrong conclusion and include "Army of <s>the</s> Cumberland", "Army of <s>the</s> Potomac" etc. in their signatures. The CSA abbreviations seem more logical.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Bill Peters</i>
<br />But please - no Army of the James!! [:D]

I mean how many Yanks want to be associated with Ben Butler! [;)]

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I'll have you know sir that during the time the Army of the James was active in this club I was proud to have led it and the good lads who made up it's members! I'm sure the boys in the Southern leadership didn't use the Army of the Tennessee since they spent most of their time getting thrown out of Tennessee.

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That sounds like the real reason General Nelms. Thnak you for cleaning up that state or along the riverbanks as the case may be.

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