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| Author: | Joe Meyer [ Sun May 31, 2015 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
I'm starting this thread to see if we can generate a few practical things for consideration that might be added to the JTS/HPS ACW games that would improve play and offer a greater sense of realism. No matter that we've been told that the game engine is played out or that another newer engine and line might be in the future offing. I still believe that a number of things could be done to enhance the play and give these games additional life. (I think that they have plenty of life as it is, but one can always wish for more!) And if John Tiller be reading our suggestions himself, who knows what may eventually happen? So trot out those old complaints you may have, or the ideas that popped into your heads as you played a game, and try to remold them into a practical suggestion. Here's one that I'd like to see! THE ABILITY TO LAY DOWN AND TAKE UP PONTOONS, AND THE CORRESPONDING ABILITY TO DESTROY THEM. Here's another! THE ABILITY TO DESTROY OR REBUILD A CREEK HEXSIDE BRIDGE! One more! ESTABLISH FATIGUE ACCUMULATION FOR SUPPLY TRAINS. Still one more! THE ABILITY TO DETACH SQUADRONS FROM A CAVALRY REGIMENT AND THEN RECOMBINE AS NEEDED. Note that I didn't belabor the issues with arguments. I just suggested them for consideration. |
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| Author: | KWhitehead [ Sun May 31, 2015 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
As long as one can wish: 1. Track artillery ammo by battery. 2. Have artillery ammo wagons. 3. Army, Corps, Division, and Brigade morale. 4. Leader activation system. 5. Extended line or dividing regiments so they can spread out to hold trench lines. 6. Fire and melee strength restrictions based on hex frontage. 7. And AI smarter than a demented cock roach.  8. Ammo tracking by regiment instead of random depletion. |
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| Author: | Ernie Sands [ Sun May 31, 2015 6:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
"High Hopes" by Pink Floyd Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Along the Long Road and on down the Causeway Do they still meet there by the Cut There was a ragged band that followed in our footsteps Running before time took our dreams away Leaving the myriad small creatures trying to tie us to the ground To a life consumed by slow decay The grass was greener The light was brighter With friends surrounded The nights of wonder Looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us To a glimpse of how green it was on the other side Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again Dragged by the force of some inner tide At a higher altitude with flag unfurled We reached the dizzy heights of that dreamed of world Encumbered forever by desire and ambition There's a hunger still unsatisfied Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon Though down this road we've been so many times The grass was greener The light was brighter The taste was sweeter The nights of wonder With friends surrounded The dawn mist glowing The water flowing The endless river Forever and ever |
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| Author: | simovitch [ Sun May 31, 2015 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
"High Hopes" with the killer Gilmore slide guitar at the end... yes! 1. Increased exposure to leader being killed for being mounted. 2. Regiment soldier graphics proportional to actual number of men. (we could do this now but it would take a while to do.) |
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| Author: | Joe Meyer [ Sun May 31, 2015 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
Kennon, did you mean in your # 5 suggestion (extended lines) that infantry regiments be able to fragment into battalions? |
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| Author: | KWhitehead [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
| Author: | John Ferry [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
I recall the computerized command post exercises in the army, where the icons for your units would shrink as they took losses. I can understand where Ernie is coming from, unfortunately. John Ferry LTC 2/20th AC |
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| Author: | Berto [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
Beyond casualties, morale recovery, etc., extending randomness also to movement, leader & unit activation, whether or not a unit fires, friendly fire, etc. |
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| Author: | Robert Frost [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
Oh, what the hell, I'll contribute to the Wish List. There is a definite problem with fatigue calculation in Turn-based play, and it is more than cosmetic. I have seen artillery casualties accrue 7 or 8 times the actual number of hits, when the documentation states "up to 3 times". When one sees discrepancies such as this, it raises the question: "What else is hiding therein?" How about actually documenting how the Opportunity Fire system works? This requires no program changes at all. I will also be glad to help the person in charge of making these changes by identifying other areas where the documentation and the game engine are not on the same page. I suggested coding changes which could be made to the game engine to make Turn-based play, well, actually playable. Doubt they will ever be implemented, but they are outlined in a document at the ACWGC Engineering site under "AI Opportunity Fire". I am sure that I could come up with more, but if these could be fixed it would certainly be a start. |
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| Author: | ken jones [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
Advantage to the defender -- who actually benefits from firing while not moving and with full stacked strength 
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| Author: | mihalik [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
Every time this topic comes up, as it has a number of times over the years, it brings to mind the old SSI games of thirty-odd years ago. Some of the features included variable action points based on command, forced march at a cost in fatigue, and built-in smoke effects. Action points were needed to move, fire and melee. Units could receive anywhere from 6 to 15 action points, depending on the distance and quality of their commanders. As to what I would like to see added, in addition to some of the suggestions already mentioned: 1) A permanent cumulative effect when firing on gun crews instead of just fatigue and the all or nothing system now in place. 2) a greater likelihood of disruption caused by defensive fire, or perhaps a pin result to augment disruption. That might also reduce the number of melees. I see a lot more defensive routs than offensive disruptions, partly because with ADF only the phasing player is likely to get flank shots. |
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
| Author: | cameronm [ Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
I would like the visibility altered to make it more realistic e.g. Units in woods not being visible until about 1000 yrds (or less) or if they fire. 
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| Author: | bkolcun [ Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
Some kind of movement fatigue that leads to cohesion losses to simulate stragglers and exhaustion. |
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| Author: | Jim Pfluecke [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Improving the JTS/HPS Games! |
I would like to see recovery of stragglers (within reason) during night turns... |
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