American Civil War Game Club (ACWGC)

Any opinions out there?

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Gen. Blake Strickler
Confederate General-in-Chief
El Presidente 2010 - 2012

Although very new to this, I can't stand Extreme Fog Of War. I understand that it adds the ultra fine shroud of realism to the game, a necessity for the "realist" players...but I just dont like it.

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Colonel Jason "Skeedaddle" Campbell
The Mahoning 4th Brigade
3rd Division
2nd Corp
AoT
"Let's fill up our canteens, boys. Some of us will be in hell before nightfall and we'll need the water"

And I, on the other hand, will not play another game without it. It is totally unrealistic to know what can be seen from someplace on the map that I have not visited. If I have to know what's visible from someplace on the map, I need to send somebody there. It's like every brigade has an RQ-11. WT_?

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Lt. Colonel Mike Terhune
New River Greys - 24th Virginia Infantry
Army of Northern Virginia
I/4/4

"Up, men, to your posts! Don't forget today that you are from old Virginia
MG George E. Pickett, July 3, 1863

And I (on the "3rd hand") actually LIKE having Artillery Capture on.

After all, what's not to like about getting a chance to counter-charge and retake your guns back from a lucky enemy assault? At least having the option to counter-charge seems more historical to me than seeing them disappear with no chance to retake them. Especially if I have infantry nearby who realistically would not just sit by passively as the guns left the field. To be sure, I'm not a fan of requiring a unit to sit on top of captured guns for points, but the ability to counter-charge is worth it IMHO.

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General Scott Eichelberger, ACWGC
Commander, I Corps, AotP
UMA Superintendent 2020-2021
Union Cabinet Secretary 2020-2022

I knew there was something about you I didn't like

I am with old warhorse up there with disliking Extreme Fog of War. The shrouded enemy numbers while in concealing terrain I actually like. But not being able to see from hexes unless you are in them is a pain. I know Mike said he favors that but I just work around that by opening up a secondary window with the games default map and then using the hex coordinates to see what I would see anyways in my actual game. 5 seconds of my life wasted each time I need to do that. One might argue a general would have orderlies and engineering officers who could make a quick jaunt over to a hill and report what they see rather than sending a whole regiment to look. Or, heck, historically couldn't you just send a squad to have a look-see?

I wish the Extreme FoW was divided into two rules. Always a yes for the increased FoW while in covering terrain and a big no for not being able to use the visible hexes toggle.

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Gen. Blake Strickler
Confederate General-in-Chief
El Presidente 2010 - 2012

In my own opinion, the game seems to allow too much visibility even with extreme FOW. In a current game (Port Gibson from Vicksburg) I was able to spot a regiment crossing the suspension bridges several miles away from a point in the wilderness east of Town (if you have ever visited the Port Gibson battlefield you know what I mean) No way! That's why I like playing with the weather rules. Not so much that it emulates real weather related visibility, but it adds a random chance of unspotted movement in broken terrain.

As far as optional rules, combining non-phased melee with soft ZOC's never feels right.

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Brigadier General Richard Simonitch
SIXTH BRIGADE (Artillery)
1st. Div. / V Corps
Army of the Potomac

I dislike the artillery capture rule for the simple reason you have to garrison them to get the victory pints of the n battle moves on. I really dislike the quality modifiers as I feel the CSA gets enough of advantage from their quality ratings as it is.

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General Mark Nelms

3/2/XX/AoC "Blackhawk Brigade"

Union Military Academy Instructor