Oh please, can we get it a little less dramatic?
Sure, there are points to fix but there is no doubt that they will be fixed.
No need to call out a Jihad against WDS.

These bugs will be corrected. There is no reason to call a boycott of WDS, give them time I feel they are doing a fantastic job so far.

Im willing to wait for the updates and will do so for as long as takes to work it out right. I know the updates will be free to me and that WDS will indeed do the best they can for us, as I know they frequent these and other forums.

If you dont want to play the current version then your are welcome not to. Throwing lengthy fits doesnt seem productive.

The issues gave been stickied in the forum and your stance is clear in the threads. Continuing with verbose and, as another mentioned, “dramatic” posts is indeed starting to look like a fit.

A solution may be to allow for backwards versions to be available going forward as you sort of mentioned. Im saying we know the issue, but instead on constant complaining we should all work to find a solution.

As for tournaments, solutions by the club were given. Use EFoW and play honestly, seems gentlemanly enough. If your looking for a fight, Im done sir. Just exhausting reading the same complaints over and over. Your entitled to continue though, so do as you please.

Ashdoll Ren said: "I think it already makes the whole fatigue rules invalid and pointless in both day and night turns."

Wow, this is BIG (and horrible) news and, as you also point out, in direct conflict with the manual. It is far worse than the FoW issue because at least that can be avoided by selecting Extreme FoW.

In a recently completed WDS v4 game I checked 4 stacks of units (12 units in total) from the beginning of (say) Turn 25 to the beginning of (say) Turn 26. [I was unable to check the exact fatigue at the end of Turn 15 as that turn is completed and can only be opened with my opponent's encryption key.]

Stack 1 (4 units) - All were at low fatigue, all moved and fired, all recovered fatigue.
Stack 2 (3 units) - All units were at low fatigue, all moved and meleed, all start Turn 26 disrupted with fatigue increase ranging from 18-41 (so it appears 2/3 have probably recovered fatigue).
Stack 3 (3 units) - All units were at low fatigue, all moved and meleed, all start Turn 26 disrupted with fatigue increase ranging from 13-109 (it appears that 1, possibly 2, have probably recovered fatigue).
Stack 4 (2 Units) - All units were at the high end of low fatigue, all moved and meleed, all start Turn 26 disrupted with fatigue decrease ranging from 9-10.

It seems our soldiers have become supermen, able to march around for twenty minutes, fire away at the enemy and even engage in strenuous hand to hand combat yet emerge less fatigued than when they started!

WDS v4 is badly broken. It seems the programmers went for show (graphics that no-one seems to like) over substance and the end result is that we have games that do not even follow the rules set down in their own manual. Shame on you WDS, you should be working around the clock to rectify these problems and not make us wait the standard period of many months to rectify known problems.

Tested in a day turn of Gettysburg 4.0. If I am not wrong, units who moved, fired, or meleed (as attackers) last turn can still recover fatigue normally. (Though units who built breastworks or were fired upon the last turn can't recover fatigue.) I think it already makes the whole fatigue rules invalid and pointless in both day and night turns.

Here's the original text from the manual.



BTW, I think the '5%' and '20%' of 'Recovery' in the PDT is not the possibility of recovery, but a baseline value. I guess the recovery function may be like this.





I guess the Recover Rate means 5% or 20% of Max Fatigue (900), in other words, 45 or 180 fatigue value.

Random Factor is a random value between 0 and 2.

If checking Higher Fatigue Recovery (Optional Rules), there will be an Additional Multiplier. Low fatigue gets a '5x' bonus. Medium fatigue gets a '3x' bonus.