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RichWalker
 Post subject: Memory Test
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 8:19 pm 
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How many of you purchased the original BG2 Gettysburg (1995). And if any here did, what was the strangest thing about it you can recall?

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I bought it. I was disappointed with it as it was too easy to win [I didn't have the internet then and was unaware of Clubs like the ACWGC]. I also purchased Borodino after it to see if it was any better. It wasn't, but I did like how you detach skirmishers and deploy them as 'separate' units. I did like the system the game followed for phased play and used that methodology for rules I wrote for Napoleonic miniatures.

I don't recall anything strange about Gettysburg. It led to on to many other computer wargames which opened up a whole new world of wargaming for me.

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Quaama wrote:
I bought it. I was disappointed with it as it was too easy to win [I didn't have the internet then and was unaware of Clubs like the ACWGC]. I also purchased Borodino after it to see if it was any better. It wasn't, but I did like how you detach skirmishers and deploy them as 'separate' units. I did like the system the game followed for phased play and used that methodology for rules I wrote for Napoleonic miniatures.

I don't recall anything strange about Gettysburg. It led to on to many other computer wargames which opened up a whole new world of wargaming for me.


That's interesting that the game was available to you in the big Talonsoft box with the CD inside way down under. I'll mention what I am referring to when others have had a chance to comment.

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RichWalker wrote:
Quaama wrote:
I bought it. I was disappointed with it as it was too easy to win [I didn't have the internet then and was unaware of Clubs like the ACWGC]. I also purchased Borodino after it to see if it was any better. It wasn't, but I did like how you detach skirmishers and deploy them as 'separate' units. I did like the system the game followed for phased play and used that methodology for rules I wrote for Napoleonic miniatures.

I don't recall anything strange about Gettysburg. It led to on to many other computer wargames which opened up a whole new world of wargaming for me.


That's interesting that the game was available to you in the big Talonsoft box with the CD inside way down under. I'll mention what I am referring to when others have had a chance to comment.


I definitely had it (possibly still do somewhere) and Borodino. No box though and I can't recall what it looked like. I know what you are talking about though as not ago Blake was discussing his Talonsoft collection (https://wargame.ch/board/acwgc/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23844&hilit).

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Oh, I still have my collection! :mrgreen:

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The weird things about TS Gettysburg?

1) The map orientation.

2) The arrival location of Doubleday.

3) The fact that the box claims it contains "Realistic Violence."


I don't care what anyone says. The 3D map from Gettysburg is the most beautiful map in any of the games. If only they all looked that good...

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Blake wrote:
Oh, I still have my collection! :mrgreen:

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The weird things about TS Gettysburg?

1) The map orientation.

2) The arrival location of Doubleday.

3) The fact that the box claims it contains "Realistic Violence."


I don't care what anyone says. The 3D map from Gettysburg is the most beautiful map in any of the games. If only they all looked that good...


The realistic violence must be a reference that with each shot a short video appeared of reenactors firing.

But I still have something in mind that no one has mentioned yet.

I have all 9 boxes-but opened

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Mark Nelms and I played every scenario on the BG Gettysburg game. It was a lot of fun. I played every scenario on every one of those games (that are pictured on Blake's shelf) and had to change sides in the club in order to play them again from the Union side. At the time, the club recognized a Reb playing as the Union commander as a maneuver and not a battle regardless of who the opponent was. A lot of good people and memories associated with those games, including the very first club 'conference' held in Petersburg VA. I struggled adjusting from BG play to HPS play but suddenly the light came on enough that I could at least be challenging to an opponent. I probably still have the disks but not the boxes.

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Mark Nelms and I played every scenario on the BG Gettysburg game. It was a lot of fun. I played every scenario on every one of those games (that are pictured on Blake's shelf) and had to change sides in the club in order to play them again from the Union side. At the time, the club recognized a Reb playing as the Union commander as a maneuver and not a battle regardless of who the opponent was. A lot of good people and memories associated with those games, including the very first club 'conference' held in Petersburg VA. I struggled adjusting from BG play to HPS play but suddenly the light came on enough that I could at least be challenging to an opponent. I probably still have the disks but not the boxes.


So, in playing BG2, what was so strange about it that it would be completely alien today? Original V.1
Not graphical related

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Got it and played it with Bill Smith back in 95. Nothing strange that I recall but casualties were in multiples of 25.

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mihalik wrote:
Got it and played it with Bill Smith back in 95. Nothing strange that I recall but casualties were in multiples of 25.


You're getting warm

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Fatigue was done 0 - 9 as well if that's what you are hinting at. It made things a heck of a lot more interesting sometimes. I'd love knowing if anyone ever did a full analysis of one system of fatigue vs. the other to see which caused the faster accumulation on average of fatigue. In my mind it felt like the 0 - 9 system caused units to fall out of the battle sooner.

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The answer, IMHO, is the 1=100 men strength points. The 25-man increments did not start until Shiloh for the ACW games. So, with a loss of 1, that meant 100 men were eliminated for that shot. Of course, successful shots were harder to come by. Talonsoft upgraded BG2 Gettysburg to the 25-man increments after the release of BG4 Shiloh.

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