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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:36 pm 
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Club Members,

This is an informal thread in which we, the Cabinet, are asking for your input about a topic which has been discussed around the Club for a long time now. The comments made here will give us a better idea of what the Membership of the ACWGC feels about this topic and whether or not the Cabinet should consider changes to the existing rules.

When you make your comments, or reply to others, remember that nothing here is being formally proposed or considered. This is merely to ascertain the viewpoints of as many members as wish to comment on this topic. Treat each others viewpoints respectfully as always.




The issue at hand is whether or not the ACWGC needs to find an alternate pathway for promotions above the rank of Brigadier General. As it currently stands the ACWGC requires members to have a current administrative role in the Club and to meet a point requirement in order to be promoted past the rank of Brigadier General. An alternate pathway, for example, might be to increase the number of points required and drop the admin requirement. Note that is only an example for illustrative purposes - nothing is being formally considered or proposed.

What are some good reasons why we should have alternate pathways for promotions?

What are some good reasons we should not have alternate pathways for promotions?

Would changing the rules regarding promotions ultimately help, hurt, or have no effect on the ACWGC?

Is it ultimately worth the time and effort to change the rules regarding promotions in the ACWGC or not?





There are no right or wrong answers to the above. This is an issue which has prompted many different ideas and comments over the years and it has often been assumed that no consensus on this issue exists. Maybe that is right or maybe that is wrong. The only way to know will be to open the floor up and let people have their say. I informally have already asked these questions to four senior members of our Club, two from each side, and discovered each had a unique and interesting viewpoint on these questions. By reading the opinions of others I was able to see various angles to things I had not considered before and I found it very helpful to gain a better understanding of where people are coming from with these topics.

You can leave any comments you like down below. I, and the Cabinet, look forward to reading the comments and ideas that you have on this issue.

Note that this thread will be locked on July 21 so that the Cabinet may review the comments in their entirety. In other words, if you have something to say now is the time!

Also, try to stay on the topic of promotions in general. If someone wishes to make extensive comments about bringing back the Smoking Room (as a random example), this would not be the ideal place for that.

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I've been thinking about this very topic for some time now. It seems to me that the higher ranks should be reserved for officers who actively hold administrative positions in the club. Instead of permanent ranks, I would suggest 'brevet' ranks above Brigadier General, corresponding to the positions held. Once those positions are no longer held by an individual, that individual would revert to the rank the officer held before the brevet.

I believe this happened frequently in the War. The most famous example I can think of is George Custer, who was breveted General during the War but reverted to Colonel after hostilities ended.

Exceptions might be if an individual were to have earned a higher rank during the time the administrative position was held. For example, a Major might take on command of an army (at which point he would be breveted to a higher rank) and subsequently earned enough points for Lt. Colonel. He would be reverted to Major the immediately promoted (permanently) to Lt Colonel.

I haven't given any thought to what General rank (Major General, Lieutenant General, full General) would be breveted for any given administrative level (Division, Corps, Army). That is a detail that can be worked out. It's the 'brevet' option I would advocate for.

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The Issue at Hand:

I believe the current system is good and works well. I strongly propose that ranks beyond that of Brigadier General should continue to have the required points system in concert with a Club Admin role.

Alternate Pathways to Promotion:

I am open to consideration of new methods for the above, providing the requirement for Active Club involvement remains. I further propose that in order to attain a higher rank beyond BG that a minimum time period for holding an Admin Role be required. This will ensure, I believe, that those with a focus and interest in club involvement may attain the appropriate rank and not merely by those with only an interest in accruing points and a short term Admin Role involvement to achieve a specific rank sought or desired.

There are, as will be accepted and understood, those members with varying interests, focus and points of view regarding club involvement, gaming, opponent finder ect and I believe this will continue to be the case going forward. I therefore do not believe a change to the rules will therefore have any major impact on the ACWGC.

In conclusion I propose, as previously stated, that those seeking higher rank be prepared to put something into the Club, at some level, and demonstrate it on an ongoing basis. The current rules ensure this, generally.

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dmallory wrote:
I've been thinking about this very topic for some time now. It seems to me that the higher ranks should be reserved for officers who actively hold administrative positions in the club. Instead of permanent ranks, I would suggest 'brevet' ranks above Brigadier General, corresponding to the positions held. Once those positions are no longer held by an individual, that individual would revert to the rank the officer held before the brevet.

I believe this happened frequently in the War. The most famous example I can think of is George Custer, who was breveted General during the War but reverted to Colonel after hostilities ended.

Exceptions might be if an individual were to have earned a higher rank during the time the administrative position was held. For example, a Major might take on command of an army (at which point he would be breveted to a higher rank) and subsequently earned enough points for Lt. Colonel. He would be reverted to Major the immediately promoted (permanently) to Lt Colonel.

I haven't given any thought to what General rank (Major General, Lieutenant General, full General) would be breveted for any given administrative level (Division, Corps, Army). That is a detail that can be worked out. It's the 'brevet' option I would advocate for.


The ACWGC Union Army instituted a rule that promotion beyond Brigadier General was based on service in the appropriate position.
Division - Major General
Corps - Lt. General
Army - General
Can't recall when this was instituted but I believe it was done to match the CSA ranks.
During the Civil War Grant and Scott were the only ones who held the rank of Lt. General.
General of the Army was not created until after the war.

As to Brevet Promotions, they were used when I originally joined the club in 2000 and used for Admin positions.
I may have been the last Brevet promotion having been brevetted from Brigadier in February 2001 when I was asked to form the VIII Corps/AotS.
I was then promoted to Lt. General in September 2001 so I guess Brevet promotions were dropped sometime in 2001.
That would have been during General Michael O'Conner's time as CoA.

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I'm very glad that the Cabinet has sought input from Members prior to, yet more, Rule changes. I hope that many Members contribute their thoughts so ‘what the people want’ can be seen.

To me, the main thing to decide is what is the goal of changing/not changing the current process. I'm basically thinking along the lines that the Rules encourage, and discourage, certain behaviours.

The current promotion Rules encourage people to take on administrative roles by making them a prerequisite for higher ranks. Although earlier versions of the Rules imposed some work on DCs and CCs there is now nothing you must do while occupying such roles. There are several things you can do (e.g. provide additional training, office advice and assistance) but since the mustering system was changed there is essentially not much to do as a DC or CC.
I’m unaware of any shortage of Members wanting to take up other higher positions that would enable a Member to progress to full General.

I think having alternate pathways for promotion is interesting. Any such alternate pathway should exist to encourage certain actions and reward behaviours that are beneficial to the Club.
One could be complete ‘X’ number of turns in registered DoR games entitle a Member to be promoted to Major-General (currently requires service in, at least, a DC role). It is important that it should be ‘turns’ rather than ‘games’. There are currently 264 games listed in the DoR as ‘completed’ in 1 or 2 turns. [The Seven Days Campaign (407 turns) completed in one turn? I think not.]

Also, Members can contribute to the Club in ways other than actively gaming (training others, assisting other Members through gaming information on the Forum or elsewhere). On the CSA side the current Robert E. Lee medal “honors those members whose contributions make our lives more enjoyable in the ACWGC”. I see no reason why Members who contribute to the Club in ways other than gaming should not receive some recognition in promotion.

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As for Me Brigadier General is High enough and it would be nice if more Players got involved with the Forums

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