Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Gen Walters,
Sir,
count me in as well. It is my understanding that Mr. Tiller cannot simply port something over from the Panzer Campaigns but instead must re-program it. That said, these changes would be much appreciated.

regards,
FML Jim Pfluecke
Austrian Cavalry REserve

Austrian Kavalry Reserve

Add me to your list of supporters.

Paco

<i>Maréchal</i> M. Francisco Palomo
<i>Prince d'Essling, Grande Duc d'Abrantes et
Comte de Marseille
Commandant - Division de Cavalerie de la Vieille Garde </i>

These sound very good. Please add my name to the list.

Ensign Gene Renna
12th Light Dragoons
4th Cavalry Brigade,Cavalry Corps
Anglo-Allied Army

Ok I support it.
Just a little remark : stragglers should be "reintegrated" as they are rejoining their "resting" units.

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<font color="red">Anglo-Allied Administrative Adjutant</font id="red">
<font color="orange">Divisie Nederlandsche Kavallerie
I Corps
Anglo-Allied Army
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Please, add my name too

Colonel Christian Rizo
2ème bataillon du 12ème Régiment de Ligne
1e Brigade
11e Division
IIIe Corps
Armée du Nord

"Un Hussard qui n'est pas mort à 30 ans est un jean-foutre" - LaSalle

Add me too [:)]

<font color="green"> <b>Général de Division David Guégan Comte de Toulon, Duc de Nimes</b>
Co 11eme division
III Corps, AdN
Co Division d'Infanterie de la Jeune Garde, Garde Impériale


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I have had some time to digest this suggstion.

Here are some comments - the numbers refer to your numbers in your suggestion:

#1 - third bullet - horse soldiers lose more - I disagree. I wont use the reason that cavalry is already brittle. I will just point out that cavalry was used to round up stragglers and was LESS likely to straggle. If the horse went down then the rider had some way of remounting. Either extra horses were kept or he would acquisition a new mount. I think that to reduce cavalry at a higher rate if they move will harm scouting. I see this as unrealistic and ask that you REDUCE the straggling of cavalry.

#2 - fatigue accumulation should be more for going uphill than walking on level terrain. Therefore for every contour crossed add in 5 points of fatigue in addition to the normal rate. Thus if a unit crosses 2 contour levels in its turn it accumulates 15 points of fatigue - 10 for the two levels and 5 for the normal movement.

#3 - I fear that this is going to mess up campaign games which already have a casualty reduction built in as you move from game to game. Its terribly random though. While I agree with your concept I think you need to think this one out a bit more. There are points to it that you will need to address to John specifically or you may end up with a system of his design that you may not like. I would really think this one through.

Perhaps a redo of the campaign casualty reduction routine would work out better. I sure dont want to see a 750 man battalian which loses 340 men regain them during a full battle.

What is the right amount for casualty reduction over the span of a one day battle? Two day battle? Where will you find your numbers to justify the percentage? Stragglers too. What figures can we use that are accurate? 10 percent recovery for stragglers over a day's march?

Obviously its going to be a process that depends on the march time of the unit.

This rule would also prompt the question: what about current scenarios that have reinforcement groups? Do we go back and reduce their strengths? Certainly for the Army of Italy units that marched north to Vienna to partake in the Battle of Wagram they had stragglers.

What about guns? Broken carriages? How do we impact the artillery? I would think that the straggler rate should be small for them. Also the loss recovery for the guns - how do you recover guns that were overrun? Figure that they got away anyway?

Lots of questions here. Would you and a few of the guys be willing to test it out before it gets released? I think that this one brings up alot of questions and the need to playtest it is high on my list. I wont have the time to exhaustively test it. However, if I had say 4-6 guys INDEPENDENT of my playtest team (they can test it too if they like but I dont want them pulled away from scenario testing to work on this team) to test it out over a period of FOUR months or more I would be more than willing to endorse its addition. I wont endorse it without testing. I dont want to inflict a patch on the public that hasnt been exhaustively tested.

Your suggestion that stragglers increase as per the fatigue level is excellant. Grand idea.

(added by edit) You can add my name to this petition as well. I am all for it.

Bill Peters
Former NWC President, Club Founder, Prussian and Austrian Army Founder, Stefan Reuter's hunting buddy. HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram)

[url="http://www.fireandmelee.net"]Fire and Melee Wargame site[/url]

I would be willing to playtest.

Colonel Phil Driscoll
12e Legere of the 7th Division
II Corps
ADN

Vive L'Empereur!

How about this petition? What's up with it?

Thanks.

Colonel Rick Motko
1er Bataillon, 33° Régiment d'Infanterie de Ligne
2eme Brigade, 11eme division
IIIe corps, Armée du Nord


Vive l'Empereur!

Dierk - can you remove my name from the list. Its not that I DONT want these changes but I am part of the HPS Nap team and should remain independent of petitions.

I am still for something like this. March fatigue would be great ...

Bill Peters
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram)

[url="http://www.fireandmelee.net"]Fire and Melee Wargame site[/url]

Man missed this do put me down..[;)]

<font color="red">Marechal</font id="red">
<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red"> Commandant
1ème Division de Cuirassiers,
1 Corps Res Cav,ADN.

"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"

Not sure how I missed this..[:0] Put me down too !![:)]

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Captain
2nd Battlion
95th Regiment of Foot
II Corps
Anglo-Allied Army</font id="red"></center></b>

I completely agree.

General Konstantin Koryakov,
8 Infantry Corps,
Life Guards Litovskii regiment,
Russian Imperial Army
[url="http://www.komikor.narod.ru"][/url]

Yes - definitely agree that something is needed there and think these ideas are good but as suggested more thought and play testing required to get a "realistic and acceptable" final solution. Sign me up!

Love the idea of smoke but would it have any real effect when we "see all and can do all" anyway? We would then get into unit level observation, time delays and (hush my mouth) orders! A whoooole new and difficult can of worms (not to mention new game!). [;)]

Mike

I missed this too. Put my name to it too.

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