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Author:  Prince Repnin [ Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Divisions Tournaments
(The topic is a sequel of our discussion in The Allies)

Gentlemen,
I guess, the best way to get friends, good experience from each other and build Esprit de Corps with MP games - these are Divisional Tournaments, when officers of the same division form a team with their ComDiv as the team leader, and then they challenge other divisions. In the absence of the division commander, the most senior divisional officer may be his deputy.
I had four tournaments of that kind in the previous years, and believe me: it's much more excited way of MP gaming than any others. Moreover, this is the field where our club's organizational structure could be really useful and helpful.

Mark, I suggest to set up the Divisional Tournaments as a permanent official sort of MP games in NWC.

So, gentlemen, create your divisional combat teams and enjoy the most realistic sort of MP games. :D
Author:  Prince Repnin [ Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Todd Schmidgall wrote:

"Gentlemen officers, salute!

The provisional team of the Tirailleurs et Dragons! is currently four officers strong, and are at present involved in multiple battles (including a Brigade Challenge vs members of the Hanoverian & Brunswicker Brigades).

I would expect at this time to be able to get involved in another Challenge sometime this Fall, and will be glad to help organize such a tournament.

Discussions should continue concerning games/scenarios, rules and other guiding conditions.

I have found in my own experience so far with MP games that a rate of 3+ turns a week is quite feasible (when summer vacations don't take their toll), and Prince Repnin's solution about the Commander making moves for players unable to do so is more than reasonable.

I am also hard at work trying to organize more combat teams from the various Corps of LGA, and believe that as we go forward this situation will improve.

Interested officers may contact me thru PM at my club encampment, and then I will give my private email to any who don't have it already.

Regards,

Chief de Battalion Todd Schmidgall
Tirailleurs du Po
3eme Division, 1eme Brigade
IV Corps "
Author:  clifton seeney [ Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
This will be the most feared Brig in the Grand ArmeeImageOnly a few can pull the guns only the brave can get up close to a red square only the the proud and pride of Poland can do it, if you are brave enough and without ego problems we would welcome you to join!
Author:  Paladin851 [ Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
The line Infantry brigade of the Prussian army's 1813 corp is prepared to take the field.
Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Officers, salute!

Well this is good news! :D

It seems that the war drums are beating across the Rhine (tavern..) :twisted:

Russians, Hanoverian/Brunswicker, the Spanish, French, and not one but TWO contingents from the Prussian army! :shock:

Where are the Haplessburgers in all of this? :mrgreen:

Regards,
Author:  clifton seeney [ Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Monsieur the III Corps Art stands ready with four members waiting for a General officer to join up!
Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Officers, salute!

To carry forth the discussion, won't any who are interested join me at my table here in the Tavern.
"Josephine, off the table please," says the Chef d'Tirailleur as he scoops the cat onto the floor.

Where was I, oh yes, the matter of constructing a divisional tournament.

Here is a proposal to be commented, debated, and picked apart by any who care to do so (and supported if you will).

Mind you, I'm relatively new to the club, and have not actually played in a tournament here, so bear with me if I am either way off base, or rehashing old ideas.

In the interest of having a club tournament that does not necessarily drag on for nearly a whole year (or more) I propose the following:

That the tourney is a single round of games using scenario(s) that are 40 - 60 turns in average length.

I propose that the teams consist of three players (?), two field commanders and an Operational Commander (which is the gist of what I think the thread is pointing towards, but we can debate this as well).

Hence, any Division or Brigade, or provisional brigade, may potentially field more than one team (the Operational commander could even command in all the games in which his subordinate field officers are participating in).

At the conclusion of the games, the teams are awarded points based on Victory Levels achieved (Major Victory 6, Minor Victory 3, Draw 1, for example).

Then, these points are totaled for each Div, Brig, etc, for a final tally for the group as a whole.

If there is a tie between any Div, Brig, etc, then the VP totals from the games played that resulted in either Major or Minor Victories (not Draws) are totaled together to determine the victor. In case of tie in that situation (however unlikely), well, we can debate that at a later point than now, you see where I am going.

I would also like to suggest a separate award to be given to the individual team that scores the most VPs in their game (hence, such an award could go to a team within a Div, Brig, etc that was not the overall winner).

Let me know what you think, and I look forward to continuing this discussion with you all.

Regards,
Author:  clifton seeney [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Monsieur with out the Corps commanders or Div commanders in this there is no clear chain of command. I don't command any thing but me and I was told I don't command even me I have a Div commander over me and a Corps commander over him and a Army commander over all. With out the chain of command all who play are their own commanders and not under orders from any but themselves this might be a can of worms but some in the club would have it this way I don't have the rank to command my Brig so if a Brig commander steps up I will step down.
Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
clifton seeney wrote:
Monsieur with out the Corps commanders or Div commanders in this there is no clear chain of command. I don't command any thing but me and I was told I don't command even me I have a Div commander over me and a Corps commander over him and a Army commander over all. With out the chain of command all who play are their own commanders and not under orders from any but themselves this might be a can of worms but some in the club would have it this way I don't have the rank to command my Brig so if a Brig commander steps up I will step down.


Col Dumas, as to your comments, the official chain of command only applies to official club business, and to a tournament where the rules of engagement are concerned with specific command organizations, such as a Div or Brig Challenge that specifies the teams be from official unit formations.

However, in situations such as the topic under discussion, there should be room to allow for teams of players to be formed (such as your III Corps Artillery Brigade, and my own Tirailleurs et Dragons! ) which have been formed originally because there was no official LGA Div or Brig combat teams.

Prince Repnin is referencing this tourney as a Divisional Tournament, but the fact remains that there are not necessarily the commanding officers willing to lead or participate in this kind of event, hence we have what I like to refer to as provisional battle Brigades, etc, like your's and mine.

There are no club rules governing for example if you choose to lead a team of players in a game against a team of players from another army that restrict who is in command. These are games taken on by the players themselves, and they can decide who is in command, etc.

Regards,
Author:  clifton seeney [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Now that this is made clear the signature is a provisional one and not an no means that am a commander of anyone or any team. If the men in the team feel that I should be in command because of seniority and rank that is up to them and any an all teams will be by vote by members of said teams so as to not have anyone thinking that we are over stepping our own rank or any thing that was not set up by this club. I personally think that they should revise the rank system because a certain amount of points or wins mean you move to the next rank.
Author:  Paladin851 [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
I plan on using a non-mandatory rotating command for my brigade. Everybody that wants to have a go at command will have the opportunity to do so at some point.Switching after the completion of a battle. Those not comfortable with command will be exempt.

As for medals being as this is an unofficial function we may want to consider the use of ribbons or medals that can be added to forum signatures. That way we won't be adding to the various webmasters work load.
Author:  clifton seeney [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Outstanding Monsieur a bon reward for any an all who play. Give me something to fight for besides getting to learn and know others. Love it!
Author:  SLudwig [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
The Prussian Armee will field as many units as folks want and people will be welcome to serve in how many they like to. Same goes for the Austrians and Swedes, even cross army forces will be welcomed....
Author:  clifton seeney [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
Well done Scott I knew in my heart that you would be the first to step up to the plate and take this club in a new direction. Let's all remember that Bill Peters started this Brig thing with his Bone heads Brig, bravo Bill and Scott for always being in the front.
Author:  Kosyanenko [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Divisions Tournaments
SLudwig wrote:
The Prussian Armee will field as many units as folks want and people will be welcome to serve in how many they like to. Same goes for the Austrians and Swedes, even cross army forces will be welcomed....


Russian army officers are free to create and lead temporary teams consisting of Russian and/or Allied officers. Depending on their size such teams would be named "detachments" or "corps". for example "General Repnins detachment" or "Detachment of general-lieutenant Repnin". Just let me and/or Alexandr Zaytsev know about your efforts.
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