| Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC) https://wargame.ch/board/nwc/ |
|
| Increased VPs for Leader Losses https://wargame.ch/board/nwc/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17093 |
Page 2 of 2 |
| Author: | Richard Bradshaw [ Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
So, in the spirit of realism, one horseman on a rainy day can stop a 1500 man infantry group in its tracks. I'm sure this happened all the time during the Napoleonic Wars so it is properly modeled in the game. But why? The game gives you a status for a melee, advantage attacker/defender/even. Soooo, if it is attacker advantage the infantry should be able to push the horseman back a hex. If you stick that high ranking officer with the single horseman, he will be safe until the rain ends. |
|
| Author: | Andy Moss [ Thu May 11, 2023 6:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
4.06 is out now. According to the changelog leader points are now scenario specific. For Leipzig this turned out to be a nasty shock. It seems Col Anonymous is now worth just slightly less than his named counterpart, which makes sense as he's on the same paygrade as Al Amos suggested. It's still a big jump in values however, with a gen brig worth 78 points and his anonymous replacement worth 76 if captured. So be warned about losing leaders - my game against another opponent saw a jump of over 5000 points when I upgraded. |
|
| Author: | Bill Peters [ Thu May 11, 2023 12:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
Andy - sorry this happened in your game. Right off there should have been an "Alternate Victory Points for Leader Casualties" rule ADDED to the Optional Rules when they started down this rabbit hole. Leave the old rule as is. That was not their choice so I just choose to turn it OFF. But thankfully, its not in the default code so we all can just turn the rule off and not use the rule. I have an idea on how to solve all of this but it will take manual calculations on the part of the players. We would play with the rule ON but use a basic list of points for each type of leader. It would all average out where you have leaders with low values mixed with leader of higher values. It would be much better to go that route than to use the rule as programmed as it is now. Something like this: Army Leader: Captured/Killed: 150 pts. Wounded: 75 pts. (wounded is an odd name for this category - it should be called "Incapacitated" as Napoleon suffered a wound during the Eckmuhl campaign but was not incapacitated) Wing/Corps Leader: Captured/Killed: 100 pts Wounded: 50 pts Division Leader: Captured/Killed: 40 pts. Wounded: 20 pts. Brigade Leader: Captured/Killed: 20 pts. Wounded: 10 pts. The usual "House Rules" about Napoleon and other significant leaders of the era can still apply for those that want to end the game there and then once they are killed or captured. I agree that had Napoleon been killed that the French army probably would have recoiled in horror and that would have ended the wars. For me: I would use an even easier scale that would take into account ONLY the leader's effect on the current battle. Thus ANY kind of leader casualty would count the same. I would lower the upper amount and raise the lower amounts in that instance. And folks have their own ideas on this ... I wont debate the values. Just tossed them out as an idea. In trying to "Standardize things" Rich and co. have instead ended up splintering the players more in this case. Hopefully the Optional Rules that I LOVE to use are not going to be mucked around with. If it goes too far I have other things to do with my time than wonder what else is going to be screwed up in this series. |
|
| Author: | Bill Peters [ Thu May 11, 2023 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
Another idea I have had ... for a Wound result... put in a variable that the leader will return to battle. Make it 1%. The points would drop off once the leader returns to play ... Call it the Leader Returns to Action optional rule. Add in a "Leader Escapes Capture" rule .... .02 % of it happening. Similar result for leader VPs going off of the count once that happens. |
|
| Author: | SLudwig [ Fri May 12, 2023 2:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
The leader returns and leader escapes rule is a pretty neat idea Bill! Like many, I'm very shocked by the rule changes and certainly will not be playing with it on. Especially since my only saving grace for how awful I am with the games is that I have very low leader loss! 
|
|
| Author: | Bill Peters [ Fri May 12, 2023 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
SLudwig wrote: The leader returns and leader escapes rule is a pretty neat idea Bill! Like many, I'm very shocked by the rule changes and certainly will not be playing with it on. Especially since my only saving grace for how awful I am with the games is that I have very low leader loss! Look, Scott, moving ALL of your leaders off the board on turn 1 .. is not very sporting.  You need to have them prance around the front of your lines waving a salute at the enemy.  I mean, be sporting.   
|
|
| Author: | Garret Fitzgerald [ Fri May 12, 2023 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
I know that at Marengo that losing leaders will often determine the battle |
|
| Author: | Jonathan Powles [ Mon May 29, 2023 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
Perhaps it falls to the new recruits to really expose this change, as we cheerfully throw leaders away willy-nilly. I've just recently lost Ney, captured at Quatre-Bras where my opponent was Mike Davis. He was worth 290VP. OK, that smarts but seems fair enough to me. But playing the first day of Caldiero as a training battle with Pete Russo I lost the Divisional General Charpentier (again captured) and lost 856 VP. That has got to be a bug, surely? Cheers Jonathan |
|
| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Mon May 29, 2023 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Increased VPs for Leader Losses |
Jonathan Powles wrote: But playing the first day of Caldiero as a training battle with Pete Russo I lost the Divisional General Charpentier (again captured) and lost 856 VP. That has got to be a bug, surely? Cheers Jonathan Maybe, calculation is done this way: 
|
|
| Page 2 of 2 | All times are UTC - 5 hours |
| Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group https://www.phpbb.com/ |
|