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Author:	Burr [ Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:01 pm ]
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Okay, I have found that my beloved Austrians have sent a Corps to help good old Nappy in 1812 into Russia. In this battle, if I play the French and fight a Russian, should this not be a battle? It is essentially the <b><font color="orange">VII Saxon Corps</font id="orange"></b> & <b>Austrian Corps</b> vs. <b><font color="green">Russian 3rd Army</font id="green"></b>. Your thoughts on this strange twist? <b><font color="gold">Lt.</font id="gold"> A. Burr FourierschÃ¼tzen [url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Aaron_Burr.htm"](OBD)[/url] <font color="red">2nd JÃ¤ger Bn</font id="red"> <font color="beige">2nd Division I Korps</font id="beige"> Austrian Army</b>

Author:	Baron [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:05 am ]
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Sir, it ONLY depends on the opposite army commander you are playing here. All games against member of the same "side" (Allied in your/my case) is being considered "manoeuvre" ("training" if he comes from the same army), while crossing swords with member from "opposite camp" (french in your/my case) will make this game a "fight/battle", whatever the army you currently command on the battlefield ... GL. Pavel Stafa Russian Army Chief-of-staff Leib-gvardii Preobrazhenskiy polk Kommanduyuschiy Korpusom Rezerva 2-oy Zapadnoy armii EIV

Author:	Burr [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:23 am ]
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Yes, but at this point in time I am not Allied with the Russians, I am fighting them, so my Allies are the French, not the Russians. Why would I fight a Frenchman if my Army is working with them? What Frenchman is going to want to play the Russians, and why would I play Russian when my Austrians are fighting for them? This is not one unit we are talking. But a whole Army. I think in special circumstances such as this the rule should be as it is in the battle. Why should club members be penalized for playing as in history? How many real exceptions are out there? <b><font color="gold">Lt.</font id="gold"> A. Burr FourierschÃ¼tzen [url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Aaron_Burr.htm"](OBD)[/url] <font color="red">2nd JÃ¤ger Bn</font id="red"> <font color="beige">2nd Division I Korps</font id="beige"> Austrian Army</b>

Author:	Ed Blackburn [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:13 pm ]
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Who is the live human being you are playing? Is he a member of the French Army? If yes then your fight is a battle. If not then your fight is a manuever. This is strictly club administrivia for passing out the points. The determination of battle vs manuever is completely unrelated to what armies are involved in the game itself. [:D] Major Ed Blackburn Commanding 6th Div, II Corps, AAA 3rd Bn / 1st Regiment of Foot Guards

Author:	Burr [ Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:17 pm ]
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That proves to me that the CCC has a better sytem in place. They have 4 Armies and only if you play your Army is it a maneuver. And if the Spanish had a Army in this club, I think they would argue the same as they fought on both sides. How about this, I transfer to the AdR for a month, fight my battle, then return to Austria! ha, that should work. [;)] <b><font color="gold">Lt.</font id="gold"> A. Burr FourierschÃ¼tzen [url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Aaron_Burr.htm"](OBD)[/url] <font color="red">2nd JÃ¤ger Bn</font id="red"> <font color="beige">2nd Division I Korps</font id="beige"> Austrian Army</b>

Author:	Baron [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:41 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Burr</i> <br />That proves to me that the CCC has a better sytem in place. They have 4 Armies and only if you play your Army is it a maneuver. And if the Spanish had a Army in this club, I think they would argue the same as they fought on both sides. How about this, I transfer to the AdR for a month, fight my battle, then return to Austria! ha, that should work. [;)] <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Well - not, it will not work. Becouse when transferring from camp to camp, u can only bring half your points with you [;)] GL. Pavel Stafa Russian Army Chief-of-staff Leib-gvardii Preobrazhenskiy polk Kommanduyuschiy Korpusom Rezerva 2-oy Zapadnoy armii EIV

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:26 pm ]
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Why not just find yourself a French officer who will play the Russians? <center> GÃ©nÃ©ral de Division D.S. "Green Horse" Walter Baron d'Empire, Duc des Pyramides Commandant de la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3Ã¨me Division[/url], VIÃ¨me Corps Bavarois, L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant [url="http://mikedavies122863.tripod.com/index.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant de la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde </center>

Author:	Burr [ Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:58 pm ]
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Dierk, That is illogical. How can I ask a Frenchmen to play a Russian. I cannot do it, in '12 they are my allies. I want to fight the Russians! So, when '12 comes around I am fighting with the French, so no one try to stop me! I have got 7 years to convince you! [;)] <b><font color="gold">Lt.</font id="gold"> A. Burr FourierschÃ¼tzen [url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Aaron_Burr.htm"](OBD)[/url] <font color="red">2nd JÃ¤ger Bn</font id="red"> <font color="beige">2nd Division I Korps</font id="beige"> Austrian Army</b>

Author:	buffpilot [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:05 am ]
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Aaron, I have a place in I Corp if you wish to leave the effeminate Austrians and join the Emperor's finest! You get to fight Russians all the time! Plus you can deal with the shopkeepers and untrustworthy Prussians to boot! Vive Le Emperor! General de Division Doug Fuller Comte de Hainaut et Duc de Lutzen CO Brigade de Voltigeurs de La Jeune Guard I Corp CO AdN

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:33 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Burr</i> That is illogical. How can I ask a Frenchmen to play a Russian. I cannot do it, in '12 they are my allies. I want to fight the Russians! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Guess I can't see why it should be important which army your opponent belongs to, other than to make sure this is a battle so you get full points? So if you pick a Frenchman to play the Russians, you can fight as the French and still get full points. What more can you want? <center> GÃ©nÃ©ral de Division D.S. "Green Horse" Walter Baron d'Empire, Duc des Pyramides Commandant de la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3Ã¨me Division[/url], VIÃ¨me Corps Bavarois, L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant [url="http://mikedavies122863.tripod.com/index.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant de la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde </center>

Author:	Richard [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:45 am ]
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There's only one army that won't collaborate with the French ... unless we're talking about Napoleon III and the Crimean War. Capt Rich White 4th Cavalry Brigade Cavalry Corps Anglo-Allied Army

Author:	Burr [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:12 pm ]
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Dierk, Really it isn't the points. I will play a Russian even if a maneuver. What I want is the passion of a Russian defending the homeland. How many French players will give a rats xxx about playing the Russians? Very few I imagine. Just not the same. It is that extra element of pride and passion that I want, not just a opponent for the points. Anyways, I wasn't being too serious here, just stirring the pot a little.[:D] <b><font color="gold">Lt.</font id="gold"> A. Burr FourierschÃ¼tzen [url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Aaron_Burr.htm"](OBD)[/url] <font color="red">2nd JÃ¤ger Bn</font id="red"> <font color="beige">2nd Division I Korps</font id="beige"> Austrian Army</b>

Author:	Burr [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:14 pm ]
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No way am I leaving Austria! Even if I was a little shocked to find a little waffling by my Army. hehehe <b><font color="gold">Lt.</font id="gold"> A. Burr FourierschÃ¼tzen [url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Aaron_Burr.htm"](OBD)[/url] <font color="red">2nd JÃ¤ger Bn</font id="red"> <font color="beige">2nd Division I Korps</font id="beige"> Austrian Army</b>

Author:	Al Amos [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:10 pm ]
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He wouldn't have this problem in the other club, eh Scott. [;)] Colonel (ret) Al Amos 1er Dragoons AdN

Author:	Bill Peters [ Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:37 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Al Amos</i> <br />He wouldn't have this problem in the other club, eh Scott. [;)] Colonel (ret) Al Amos 1er Dragoons AdN <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Yes, in the Panzer club you can play any side you want. Doesnt matter what nationality you are in the club. Oh yeah, CCC followed suit when we added in the Indians and French as separate armies. But its been that way in the Panzer club since the get go. Oberst Wilhelm Peters 2nd Kuirassiers, Reserve Korps, Austrian Army [url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Bill_Peters.htm"]Officer Battle Dossier[/url]

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