Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

The Jaegerdetachements--the independent skirmisher units that come with many Prussian regiments (that's actually the brigade level)--never seem to rally once they're routed. Has anybody else noticed that? Because it could be something that needs to be addressed.

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie
Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde
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Are they in command radius?

<b>Général de Division Michael Cox</b>
<font size="4"><i>Principe <font size="1">della </font id="size1">Toscana</i></font id="size4">
Comte de Moselle

<i><font size="4">Armée du Rhin</font id="size4">
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In command radius, with a higher leader, and also within the prescribed 5 hexes of the other units, but since they don't have a parent ...

Just curious if anybody else has noticed it or if I am just singularly unlucky.

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie
Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde
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<b>Just curious if anybody else has noticed it or if I am just singularly unlucky.</b>

Considering how that game has been going up to this point, I tend to doubt that it's the latter...

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General der Kavallerie Philip Graf Roubaud
Kommandant
Vienna Militärakademie
Imperial Armee of Austria

In every game I have played the Prussians never reorder and very very rarely unrout.

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by andy Moss</i>
<br />In every game I have played the Prussians never reorder and very very rarely unrout.
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Is it the same story for PTW? Just curious as I am planning to start twin battles.

Poruchik Alexey Tartyshev
Moscow Grenadiers Regiment
2nd Grenadier Division
8th Infantry Corps
2nd Army of the West (NWC)

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by andy Moss</i>
<br />In every game I have played the Prussians never reorder and very very rarely unrout.
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Well, I can't confirm that, generally. They rally well. But for those independent skirmish companies.

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie
Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Philbert</i>
Considering how that game has been going up to this point, I tend to doubt that it's the latter...
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I meant in that respect, only. But come on, you sneaked a brigade (division? corps? wing?) over the Sambre without my even noticing. [B)]

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie
Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde
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Yes, now that you mention it. The Prussian skirmishers never rally once they have been routed. Rich will have to fix it.


FM Sir 'Muddy' Jones, KG
2nd Life Guards, Household Cavalry

Dierk - sorry, I meant only Prussian skirmishers never recover. Add weather and terrain into the scenario and the skirmishers simply refuse to run uphill but stand and await their fate.

Alexey - the Prussian skirmishers will recover as will formed units in PTW; chances are they will be isolated and wiped out though before they have a chance.

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army

To be honest I have yet to play a major game with Prussians in them. I have tried, but always had to end it early. Some wins too possibly??

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Could be OOB structure problem interfering with the rule about needing to be within X hexes of parent to reorder.

Possible Solutions:

Engine change ... just kidding!

OOB change ... make detachments into real units coded as infantry that can break down completely. As long as the strength is 100 or higher then the unit can detach skirm and keep parent unit on map. This will allow skirms to reorder. (or it should, and strength number may be a bit higher or lower.) [:)]

Effects on existing scenarios should be NONE with above change since no additional units are added to OOB file. Prussian players would find formed inf coys on map instead of current skirms.

Colonel Al Amos
1erè Brigade Commandant
2ème Division de Dragons

Update: This has been recognized as a problem by HPS and is being addressed.

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie
Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde
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