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 Post subject: Re: H&R 1.03
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:04 pm 
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Al Amos wrote:
In an attempt to solve the stacking in line problem in the NAP engine, the H&R folks have created some converged bns for some rgts. This is not a good solution, imo.

Without historical evidence to back it up players will have an incorrect picture of the problems facing the historical commanders. For instance, in thier Borodino setup, I noticed a couple of the five bn French rgts having an additional two converged bns. This gives the players two additional basic units to work with unavailable to the historical commanders. If this was the historical practice, please provide supporting material. I'm aware new primary source material debunks some long held popular ideas, so I'm open to new ideas just want to see where they are being based on.


Al,

With my books getting more and more available... In advance guard vs rear guard actions the French used to support their cavalry with light infantry. This infantry could be in forms of whole batallions or ad hoc units consisting of several companies. These troops could be taken both from light and line infantry regiments. I was just reading Bogdanovich on the actions around Vitebsk and met a well known case illustrationg this fact. A chrestomathic example I would say.

This engraving is called "Les fils de Paris" http://www.runivers.ru/images/date/2009_jule/26/b.jpg It depicts the action of two companies from 9th line regiment in the battle of Vitebsk. Two companies were sent in support of 16th chasseurs regiment across a creek. This force exposed its flank and received a strong counterattack from Leib cossacks and two squadrons of Soumy hussars. Chasseurs were disordered and driven into a steep ravine. The infantry was left to itself. They formed a kind of tiny squares and managed to hold on until 53th regiment saved them. After that they were questioned by Napoleon himself "What regiment is that?" and the answer was "9eme, et tous sont les fils de Paris". As I was explained at an exibition where this original engraving was displayed the answer meant that many of them were ragamuffins taken from the streets of Paris and raised at the cost of the state. Later they were enlisted into 9th regiment that by tradition was manned by parisians. So you can't say "Pics o it didna happen!"

There are quite a few similar cases where individual companies and ad hoc batallions were used. But usually Buonoparte was not present there and didn't say anything exceptional. Hence no pictures. 8)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:18 pm 
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I own a book of every kind of Regt that France had from 1795 till 1815 and they are doing great work and no matter what others come up with someone will always find something else. I say keep up the great work and I love the 1812 game I play it because the 5th hussars look like the 5th Hussar the Polish troops look like the Polish troops. I will put on line every regt this book says fought in 1812 and we can compare.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:25 pm 
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I agree with you 100% about H&R 1812 and the other H&R scenarios as well.There will always be someone that questions how things are done,its the nature of things.

To Herr Jones: Will H&R 1812 and the other H&R scenarios be added to the club data base so we can report battles that use them ?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:54 pm 
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Mark Jones writes:

Walt, I hope this is not too confusing, but I have lost my access to the forums for the moment. Pierre has allowed me to 'borrow' his account to catch up on the posts that I have missed over the last few days.

In answer to your question, yes, I will be glad to add all of the H&R/R&H scenarios to the DoR database if someone who has all of them will contact me at my email address as listed in "The National Assembly" on our NWC Home Page. That is something that I can do myself, but I will have to converse with someone who has a list of the scenarios so I can tell him exactly what information I will need to make the entries.

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Paladin851 wrote:
Cliff
I agree with you 100% about H&R 1812 and the other H&R scenarios as well.There will always be someone that questions how things are done,its the nature of things.



This is not an issue at all - we are more than happy to go through the logic behind the changes if someone is intrested or has a point to make.

None of the changes are random “because today I feel like it”.
There is some degree of research, analytics and testing behind every change. These are also documented and consistent across all H&R scenarios. Obviously things varied from year to year so Russian army in 1805 is not the same as in 1812 and for this reason there are PDF files included with all the major battles (like Borodino readme.pdf in H&R 1812 and Austerlitz readme.pdf)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:24 am 
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pierred wrote:
In answer to your question, yes, I will be glad to add all of the H&R/R&H scenarios to the DoR database if someone who has all of them will contact me at my email address as listed in "The National Assembly" on our NWC Home Page. That is something that I can do myself, but I will have to converse with someone who has a list of the scenarios so I can tell him exactly what information I will need to make the entries.


A message is sent.

I suppose the games with these scenarios already can be started. You'd be able to register them in DoR as soon as we settle all the posible issues.

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Was playing a game and the next day got an Error and nothing on the map ??????


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clifton seeney wrote:
Was playing a game and the next day got an Error and nothing on the map ??????


I would be suprised if its related to the H&R files.
We only changed SCN, PDT and OOB files and all of them were playtested.

1. What title were you playing?
2. Was it a PBEM game ?
3. Are all other scenarious running ok ?
4. Did you do any changes yourself ?

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I re-did it fixed


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clifton seeney wrote:
I re-did it fixed


Good :!:

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