Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

"Was not reinstated"

I'd love to hear an actual justification for firing Marco, first, and not some convoluted attempt at legitimacy by invoking precedent and the semantics between resign and retreat.

If the new rules had included a stipulation that all cabinet posts would be immediately up for election like Ed suggested, and those rules passed, then at least that would be some measure of consistency and fairness. Or, maybe if the majority of members asked for such a special election- for all 5 positions. Again, at least that would be a way for the membership to make their choices in all areas rather than singling out one person.

This is just petty.

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Marechal Jeff Bardon
Duc de Castiglione et Prince de Wagram
Commandant de la Garde Imperiale

Semantics and obfuscation go hand-in-hand.

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Ernie Sands
1ère Brigade of 2ème Division de Grosse Cavalerie, Réserve de Cavalerie
de la Grande Armée
President, Colonial Campaigns Club

I must challenge Jeff's comments about "petty politics". In Marco’s original post in the Reading Room Forum, entitled Retreat the Position of Allied CiC From the Cabinet, the first line reads, “I will leave the Cabinet as the CiC of the Allied coalition.” It is pretty clear that the only thing that is petty in this whole affair was Marco resignation from the cabinet because he did not get his own way. That is not the kind of leadership that either this club or the Coalition needs. Furthermore, the recent cabinet decision was a democratic vote with a 3:1 majority. I look forward to the new rules being adopted and democratic elections for previously appointed leadership positions. Hopefully, thereafter, we can turn our full attention to gaming.

To paraphrase an old adage, "two wrongs don't make a right"

If you didn't want to retain Marco as CiC, you should have been able to vote him out. A true democratic process would be a vote of the coalition members without this unnecessary cabinet intervention.

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Marechal Jeff Bardon
Duc de Castiglione et Prince de Wagram
Commandant de la Garde Imperiale

I think we are trying to get to that point Jeff. Ernie it looks to me like it is yourself and others who are playing semantic games. Marco's intention was clearly to leave and try and hold the Cabinet and the club hostage to get his way. We are now in uncharted waters because the old rules do not cover this situation. We have three people on the Cabinent who feel Marco left and one whoe feels he was forced out so that is at least majority rule. I think most people want to see some sort of election after the new rules are voted on. Marco will be able to run if he likes. Until then he is out of the Cabinent by his own choice. To parse or say anything else is disingenuous at best..

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Field Marshal Sir Edward Blackburn, 1st Duke of Aberdeen K.G.
85th (Buck's Light Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
16th British Brigade
7th Division
III (Peninsular) Corps
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Hi David, I do respect your point of view. I don't think that was the case at all or the others on the Cabinent would not have gone along. Since you and I were not part of those discussions we do not know what happened. I think everyone will be agreeable to amending the new rules as we go along but for the moment there are a set of new rules being voted on now so we all have to wait and see if they even get adopted. Everything needs to be more open and transparent from this point on and all the positions should be elected not appointed IMO.

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Field Marshal Sir Edward Blackburn, 1st Duke of Aberdeen K.G.
85th (Buck's Light Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
16th British Brigade
7th Division
III (Peninsular) Corps
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

When the rules for the voting were published by the president, OTHER CABINET members called FOUL!

To me, that fully supports the idea that ONE person took it upon himself to impose his OWN agenda, in that instance, and would do the same thing in other instances.

That, to me, fully supports the dismay Marco felt with the autocratic (definition below) maneuvering of one individual and the frustration of trying to discuss issues (Of course, NONE of us are privy to what happens behind the closed doors of the cabinet):

"An autocracy is a form of government in which the political power is held by a single individual.

The term autocrat is derived from the Greek word autokratôr (lit. "self-ruler", "ruler of one's self"). Compare with oligarchy (rule by a minority, by a small group) and democracy (rule by the majority, by the people)."

My perception of the current events could be wrong, but something that looks like a duck, smells like a duck, is usually a duck.

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Ernie Sands
1ère Brigade of 2ème Division de Grosse Cavalerie, Réserve de Cavalerie
de la Grande Armée
President, Colonial Campaigns Club

Other than John Corbin, who cried foul Ernie?

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Field Marshal Sir Edward Blackburn, 1st Duke of Aberdeen K.G.
85th (Buck's Light Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
16th British Brigade
7th Division
III (Peninsular) Corps
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

Gentlemen

For once I get the joke. "Smells like a duck" and "foul"
That's really clever

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Jim Hall
Field Marshall
Commander Anglo-Allied Army

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

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Marechal Jeff Bardon
Duc de Castiglione et Prince de Wagram
Commandant de la Garde Imperiale