Colonial Campaigns Club (CCC)

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An individual tournament using the 1812 game is in progress.

The format has evolved over the 7 games, but it is basically a "round robin" affair with players eliminated after 2 Tournament Losses. For a game loss to count as a Tournament Loss the scenario must be determined to be "balanced". However victory levels do determine the rankings of those who are left. So its better to win, but not necessarily a disaster if you lose!

At the start of Game 7 (Round 2 Game 4), the standings are:

Playing American –Blackburn(7 points), Anon Mallory(7), Anon Wilson(6), Wilson(5), Gross(5), Dawson(5), Noftz(5), Mallory(5),Laub(4), Roubaud(3), Bangma(2), Hero of Bunker Hill(Kling)(2), Arndt(0)

Playing British –Natta(10), Cope(10), McDonald(10), Barlow(9), Smith(9), White(8), Kitchen(8), Hargreves(7), Gaskell(6), Burke(6), Kosyanenko(5), Berli(4)

Note: Some players such as Commanders Arndt and Berli have only participated in one battle.

For those of you who are paying close attention to these postings, you would have noticed that this round Commanders Dawson and Noftz switched allegiance to the American side. While it is rumored this was to help the game master to balance the players, it also cleverly improved their individual rankings since "on average" the British players have more points.

The briefings and game files for the Battle of North Point were sent out 7 Jan 2008. As of 9 May 2008, 10 of the 12 contests have been concluded and we anticipate starting the next engagement in early June.

The latest results for the completed games are shown below – American side player listed first:

Laub vs Hargreaves – Minor American Victory – 3 pts to Laub; 1 pt to Hargreaves
Roubaud vs Burke – Draw – 2 points to both Roubaud and Burke
Gross vs Smith – Minor American Victory – 3 pts to Gross; 1 pt to Smith
Bangma vs Gaskell – Major British Victory – 4 points to Commander Gaskell
Noftz vs Kitchen – Minor British Victory – 3 pts to Kitchen; 1 pt to Noftz
Blackburn vs Natta – Major British Victory – 4 points to Commander Natta
Dawson vs White – Major British Victory – 4 points to Commander White
Anon Wilson vs Cope – Draw – 2 points to both Anon Wilson and Cope
Wilson vs Barlow – Major British Victory – 4 point to Commander Barlow
Arndt vs Berli - Major American Victory – 4 points to Commander Arndt


(I will edit this post as things progress).

****************Round 2 Game 4 ****************************

The 36 turn Battle of North Point commenced 7 Jan 2008 with 24 players competing in 12 engagements.

The scenario is a modified version of the standard #77 North Point A Scenario. It was the desinger's intent to introduce some nuances and require the players to both out smart and out play their opponent to secure victory.

The pairings are (American side player listed first):

Blackburn vs Natta
Anon Mallory vs McDonald
Anon Wilson vs Cope
Wilson vs Barlow
Gross vs Paul Smith
Dawson vs Rich White
Noftz vs Kitchen
Laub vs Hargreaves
Roubaud vs Burke
Bangma vs Gaskell
Kling vs Kosyanenko
Arndt vs Berli


****************Round 2 Game 3 ****************************

Game 3 commenced July 5, 2007 with 28 players competing in 14 matches. It ended December 2, 2007.

The What-If Battle of Twenty Mile Creek Woods is being fought on the historical Battle of Longwoods battlefield. This scenario portrays a meeting engagement among the forces that occupied the area in the Winter-Spring of 1814. The immediate objective is the control of the road through the woods. The larger objective is overall glory from a clever victory!

The final results are shown below – American side player listed first:

Bangma vs Hargreaves - Major British Victory
Lord Kingston vs Kosyanenko – Minor American Victory
Meyers vs Smith - Major British Victory
Mallory vs McDonald - Major British Victory
Davenport vs Dawson – Major British Victory
Kling vs Burke – Major British Victory
Anon Mallory vs Cope – Major British Victory
Arndt vs Berli - Major British Victory
Gross vs Barlow - Major British Victory
Roubaud vs Gaskell - Major British Victory
Blackburn vs Celamanka – Minor American Victory
Wilson vs White – Minor British Victory
Laub vs Kitchen – Major British Victory
Anon Wilson vs Natta – Major British Victory

Although the forces were equally matched in overall numbers the British advantage in maneveur (light and native units), unit and leader quality, and greater individual unit fire power, appeared to contribute to the victories, although a number of matches were only determined in the last few turns -- which suggests time was also a British advantage!

****************Round 2 Game 2 ****************************

Game 2, designated "The Prize" commenced on April 11,2007 with 30 players participating in the competition. It ended July 1, 2007

The results were – American side player listed first:

Zac Durant vs Paul Smith – British Victory by Default
Steve Davenport vs Steve Kitchen – Major British Victory
Jeff Laub vs Jeffrey McDonald – Major British Victory
Al Amos vs Dan Armenta – both players withdrew from the field
Jeff Bangma vs Celamanka Noftz - Major British Victory
Lucas Kling vs Anton Kosyanenko – Major British Victory
Anon Mallory vs Dawson – Minor American Victory
Anon Wilson vs Hargreaves - Draw –
Roubaud vs Hamilton - Major British Victory –
Lord Kingston(Walter) vs Burke – Draw –
Mallory vs Barlow – Minor British Victory –
Gross vs White – Minor British Victory –
Blackburn vs Gaskell – Draw –
Myers vs Natta – Major British Victory –
Wilson vs Cope – Major British Victory –

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Sign me up! Looking forward to this!

Looks great Bob[8D]. I hope to have time for this by March.

I'm Game.......[^]

Hey Bob...if you need people on the American side....i can go over....What's it to me...one "White Devil"....or another....[^]

I have a "plan" in case I don't get a equal number of sign-ups. (Actually I have two plans, so I don't anticipate a problem, but I can't guarantee it).

So sign up for the side you really want to play.

If someone wants to change sides as the sign-ups progress, feel free to submit another sign-up form -- just include a comment that you are doing so.

Although personally I am an equal oopportuntiy combatant, over the years, I've gotten the feedback on a number of occassions that people like to play the side of their club army in tourney games. The issue for me has always been that if the scenarios are not "balanced" (and the definition of what exactly that means is tricky), you can be disadvantaged based on the side you play. One solution used elsewhere has been to play "mirror matches" but that has the down side of significantly reducing the "fog of war". So to make a long story short, this format seems to address many of those issues.

<b>However, I will repeat "it may be to the advantage of few British Army officers to play American and a few Continental officers to play British" in this tourney. Go to the web page and click on the detail link if your want to know more.</b>

Be advised as of the sign ups in the "Edited by - bobbreen on Feb 15 2006 11:14:07 PM" version of the main post, Commander Sands has guaranteed himself a position in Round 2, and he hasn't even fired one shot. No wonder he is President!

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<b>However, I will repeat "it may be to the advantage of few British Army officers to play American and a few Continental officers to play British" in this tourney. Go to the web page and click on the detail link if your want to know more.</b>
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I am not sure I get it. Could you explain it in preferably no more than two sentences, as if I were a six-year old? Thanks! [:)]

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Be advised as of the sign ups in the "Edited by - bobbreen on Feb 15 2006 11:14:07 PM" version of the main post, Commander Sands has guaranteed himself a position in Round 2, and he hasn't even fired one shot.
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How exactly does this work? Remember, I am not a numbers guy. [:I]

On the topic of why it may be in the interest of some British and Continental commanders to play opposite their club army in the game.

If you look at the more detail description of how the tourney will run, you will see that in the selection of the 12 second round participants for each side, after identifying the round 1 winners there is a preference given in selecting the "best of the rest", to make sure that at least one member of each club army participates in both sides in that round. There is also an opportunity, I think it is small, that a member of a club army might get a preference into the final round, if such a selection would have one member of each Club Army playing one side in the finals. So, theorectically, six players could get a preference for moving into R2, but as a practical matter it should be less.

One of the reasons for this is to maximize the opportunity for each Club Army to be represented as the Tourney progresses. At the same time there is a desire not to overly distort the results from the field of battle.

I also suspect that most British Army and Continental Army members will want to play their own Army side in the Tourney, so this preference is a way of encouraging a few to try the other side and provide a little more variety in the competition. (Be aware that the British Army Commanders represent about 40% of the Club. Since all Tourney matches count as battles it also provides an opportunity for someone to experience the other side and not give up any opportunity for club points.

As of the sign-ups on <s>Friday evening</s>, (now Monday), Commander <s>Sands</s>, <s>Dawson</s> and Laub were the only members of their respective sides in round 1 that would get a preference for round 2. I suspect before sign ups are concluded some other clever commanders will figure out how to increase their own odds of making it to round 2. Hint: it's like the old joke, you don't have to outrun the bear, just the other guy!

With members of the same Army playing both sides there is a risk that members of one club army could dominate the results of both sides in the games and hence dominate the finals. But while I think the Indian Alliance is a very strong group of players, I don't think they will be able to pull that off [;)]

If this sounds too complicated, you will probably be glad to hear that I rejected the idea about also scoring the games with "style points". Although it would be nice to reward someone for employing a quadruple envelopment with a hammer takeout!

Once again the Indian Race is being overlooked.....[:(!] Warriors...i say "Stand up and be Counted!!!!" We for far too long have been overlooked by the "White Devil"...we should send Smoke Signals throughout the Nations.....


Sorry....got caught up in the moment...[:I]...sounds good to me....[:D]

message sent to all participants -- 2 March 2006

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Okay, this should be the last admin message; the next email will be the game 1 scenario info – sometime this weekend.



Phil Natta has updated the design of the ribbons- there on the web page – if you would like to offer any additional comments feel free to do so. Do note: that the overall winner will now receive a laurel, and hardy handshake for his accomplishment!



The link on the web that has the general briefing on each game is also the place you will find your specific opponent. I’ve attached a direct link to the game 1 briefing here - http://games.homestead.com/files/Briefing_Chippawa2.htm -



I’ve also set this up so that when all game 1 results are in you will be able to see how each match turned out on this same page.



With regard to publishing results as the games progress. I keep all the info in a spreadsheet. While a game is in progress I plan to only publish general information about the outcome of the matches that finish early – when all games are complete I will publish the actual numerical results. So as things progress you will have some info on how others are doing, but hopefully not enough to give any of the later to finish players any advantage.



When the games start it is important that each of you register the game through the normal club process. Garry Cope has included the scenario names in the pull down menu for 1812 games so the process is pretty easy. When your game is finished you will have to make a report to me – I will need to know the information at the bottom of the scoring screen – total points and final outcome. You will also need to submit the standard Club Report.



House Rules – The only standing house rule is “no melee in column and no moving next to a unit while in columnâ€

Here's a copy of the information sent out in the wrap up email for game 2 in Round 1:

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For game 2, the average score was 77 – an overall Draw but with a definite scoring advantage for the British player. There were 3 American Major Victories, 9 Draws, 2 Minor British Victories and 4 British Majors. In my quest to understand how to “balanceâ€

I've been accused of creating complicated things, but Bob you win. I can't top this tournament minutae, nor comprehend much of it. [:D][:p]

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It's been a well run event at any rate - complicated or not! For those of us with the muskets in hand, it has been pretty straightforward - Win or go Home.


Seems I've heard that somewhere before...[:0]

Sign me up also, your discretion, Suh.

I think the tournament will last longer than the war did. [:D][;)]